Thread: Another Massacre in Colorado

Originally Posted by ZifanQ

Perhaps you should forbind all sort of guns owned by private people. You have the police and other law inforcement to take care of you.

And exactly HOW did the police take care of these people? How did the police take care of ANY one in that list of shootings?

Banning guns, or enacting stricter gun laws, don't have any effect on those who are either criminal or crazy. All banning guns does is remove them from the 99% law-abiding citizens who own them and wouldn't use them for anything other than hunting or defending themselves.

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Im gonna go out on a limb and say yes, he probably wouldve been just as bold. Mostly by the fact that he came in with full body protection, BP vest, riot helmet, leg guards, etc. So he was damn well expecting to be involved in a fire fight, whether that came at the hands of the police or the public at large, one way or the other he was prepared for it.


Something else i was thinking about today, saw a news clip where they interviewed the brother of that Fox Sports reporter who survived the Toronto shoot out, Jessica Ghawi. He was saying that he didnt even know the shooters name, nor he cared to, that this should all be about the victims, not the perpetrator.

And i thought, wow...what a wonderful idea it would be if instead of plastering HIS (Jim Holmes) photo all over the place, and going on and on about HIM, that instead, most news media would focus on the victims, plaster THEIR pictures everywhere, repeat their names, make them the ones we remember, NOT Jim Holmes. Unfortunately, we only seem to focus on the criminals, when it shouldnt be that way. Seriously, besides direct family and friends, can any of us name a single victim from VT? Columbine? Ft Hood? But we all seem to know who the murderers are. Media needs to change this, give bare minimum coverage to Homes, and spend their airtime showing pictures and repeating the names of the victims. Show potential future mass murderers that they will NOT be immortalized by media, which is precisely what this guy wants.

The local papers and the news are carrying the names and stories about the victims. I don't know if that's getting out nationally or not but you're right. For us out here, today, that's all it's all about. I know all I need to know about the shooter. More than that I don't need.

He'll be dissected by shrinks for months before he stands trial if the determine that he's even competent to stand trial, and I hope he is, but to me he's quickly becoming a thing of the past.

But you know what really bothers me? When will the next one be. When will a copy cat use this as a model for his plan just like other have used Columbine or VT for theirs? This will never stop until the public demands that gun dealers stop selling assault rifles and other military grade weapons to anyone old enough and with enough cash to but them.

You're probably right about his willingness to do it regardless of what he was up against. As well armed and protected as he was it appears he planned a shoot out with the cops and he planned to at least attempt to survive it. A few shooter inside the theater wouldn't have deterred him but somebody shooting back may have surprised him enough to slow him down and to have saved lives.

Man I'm just feeling overwhelmingly sad for those who died and the families and loved ones left behind who have to deal with the senselessness of it all. If I keep asking myself why shit like this has to happen and yet we still don't wake up and put a stop to it what must they be thinking and feeling today?

Just like yesterday I'm sad and I'm angry and even the incredible strength some of these families are showing, like Jessica Ghawi's brother, still doesn't alter those feelings. It's just another day for some of us but the killings keep going on here and all over the world. I'm just waiting for some bunch of assclowns to pull something at the Olympics next. When does it stop?

Jimmors is right. It's time to focus on the victims and not the bastard who did this. The names and the stories behind those names are beginning to appear. Let's think about those people and put them in our thoughts and prayers. They're the only ones who deserve it right now.

Names of victims emerge in Colo. theater rampage

By GILLIAN FLACCUS | Associated Press – 45 mins ago

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AURORA, Colo. (AP) — Ashley Moser drifted in and out of consciousness in the ICU, bullets lodged in her throat and abdomen. In her waking moments, she called for her 6-year-old daughter Veronica.


Nobody had the heart to tell her that Veronica was already dead, the youngest victim killed at a Colorado movie theater in one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. "Nobody can tell her about it," Annie Dalton said of her cousin, Ashley Moser. "She is in critical condition, but all she's asking about is her daughter."


Veronica was to start learning swimming lessons on Tuesday, Dalton said. "She was excited about life as she should be. She's a 6-year-old girl," her great-aunt said. The young girl was among the 12 people killed when a gunman barged into a crowded Colorado theater, set off gas canisters and opened fire as spectators dove for cover. Dozens of others were injured, including the 25-year-old Ashley Moser and 10 others in critical condition as of Friday night.


The victims' identities have emerged one by one after authorities told their families of their deaths. By late Saturday morning, relatives and family spokesmen had confirmed the identities of half of those who died.


One is 27-year-old Matt McQuinn. His family's attorney, Rob Scott of Dayton, Ohio, said McQuinn was killed after diving in front of his girlfriend and her older brother to shield them from the gunfire. Scott's account could not be immediately verified.


For Alex Sullivan, it was to be a weekend of fun: He planned to ring in his 27th birthday with friends at the special midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" and then celebrate his first wedding anniversary on Sunday. Late Friday, Sullivan's family confirmed that police told them he was among those killed.


"He was a very, very good young man," said Sullivan's uncle, Joe Loewenguth. "He always had a smile, always made you laugh. He had a little bit of comic in him. Witty, smart. He was loving, had a big heart."


Micayla Medek, 23, was also among the dead, her father's cousin, Anita Busch, told the Associated Press. Busch said the news, while heartbreaking, was a relief for the family after an agonizing day of waiting for news.


"I hope this evil act ... doesn't shake people's faith in God," she said.


On Saturday morning, parents of John Larimer released a statement that Navy officials notified them about midnight that their 27-year-old son was one of the 12 killed. The family said that Larimer's brother is working with the Navy to take his body home to Crystal Lake, Ill. He was with a unit that belongs to U.S. Fleet Cyber Command/U.S. Tenth Fleet at Buckley Air Force.

A blogger and aspiring sports reporter who recently wrote of surviving a Toronto shooting was also among those killed, the woman's brother said.


The death of Jessica Ghawi, who was also known as Jessica Redfield, was a "complete and utter shock," said her brother, Jordan Ghawi. He has been using his blog and Twitter account to update what he knew about his sister's condition. He also appeared on the NBC "Today" show.


Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Friday evening that 10 victims died at the theater and two others later died from their injuries.


Jordan Ghawi said on his website that a man who was with his sister at the theater described the chaos, saying he and Jessica Ghawi dropped to take cover when the gunman first started shooting. Jessica Ghawi was shot in the leg, her brother wrote, describing details relayed to him by a man identified on the blog only as a mutual friend named Brent.


Jessica Ghawi began screaming when she was shot, and the friend tried to calm her and stop the bleeding, according to Jordan Ghawi. The man was then shot, but he continued attending to Jessica Ghawi's wound before he realized she had stopped screaming, Jordan Ghawi stated. The man said Jessica Ghawi had been shot in the head.


Jordan Ghawi said the friend escaped the theater after being shot twice, and he was expected to survive. Jordan Ghawi praised the man, saying his "actions are nothing but heroic."


Jessica Ghawi, 24, moved to Denver from Texas about a year ago and friends and colleagues described her as outgoing, smart and witty. Ghawi blogged at length about surviving the Eaton Centre mall shooting in Toronto that killed two people and sent several others to the hospital. Peter Burns, a radio sports show host with Mile High Sports Radio in Denver, and his girlfriend, Lauren Anuskewicz, both said the blog reflected everything she told them.


Jessica Ghawi wrote of the Toronto shooting: "I was shown how fragile life was on Saturday. I saw the terror on bystanders' faces. I saw the victims of a senseless crime. I saw lives change. I was reminded that we don't know when or where our time on Earth will end. When or where we will breathe our last breath."


Yet, Burns said, Jessica Ghawi seemed more enlivened than intimidated by surviving that shooting. "After the Toronto incident, I think she even looked at that like, 'Hey, even after that, I'm able to pursue my dream,'" he said.


Burns said he was close to her family. He moved to Denver from Texas a few years ago and talked with Jessica Ghawi about establishing a sports radio career there, he said. Former colleague Mike Taylor, a sports host at KTKR-AM in San Antonio described how she reluctantly changed her name for her career, taking the name "Redfield" as a play on her red hair because it was easier to say than her given name.


Jessica Ghawi was a prolific social media user under the new name. Her last tweet stated in all capital letters, "movie doesn't start for 20 minutes."