Another Massacre in Colorado

**4th and 26** · 07-24-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Funny, i havent seen that on any NRA bumper sticker: "You cant take my guns, they are for entertainment purposes only!!"

In any case, even though tragedies like this happen, the overall picture is not near as bleak:

This graph shows just how VIOLENT the US is, but its also interesting that this trend has been steadily going down since it peaked in the 70s. And i believe this graph includes ALL violent assaults then end in death, not just gun deaths, so yes, im aware other countries have higher gun violence per capita. Point being, we are still have a very high rate of violence deaths as a country compared to other countries, but this trend IS going down, so that is good. Makes stories like this massacre an anomaly, not the standard.

And this graph shows the declining number of households who have firearms. So yes, even with some of the most lax gun laws, gun ownership is mostly on the decline. When gun sales spike, they typically are an increase of guns in households who already own guns, so it doesnt change the overall statistic of households who own guns. And seeing as how nobody is "taking away" peoples guns (regardless of how much the NRA is crying that this is the case, it is not), then the downward trend of gun ownership is due to personal choice, not legislation.

However, i do believe that this tragedy has shown some of the flaws that need to be addressed, such as Assault Rifle, large capacity magazines, internet sales, proper background checks. Any one of these couldve been addressed, and any one wouldve led to less death and injured. The only counter argument any of you seem to have for having ARs is that they are "fun" or for "entertainment," and i just dont buy that reasoning. If the choice is to prevent citizens from purchasing these type of guns and save a few lives in tragedies such as this, or to allow them so people can entertain themselves, i would choose to ban them every time. There is also no reason to have 100 round magazines. You dont need to shoot 100 bullets to hunt, and you dont need 100 bullets to defend yourself or your property.

Taking the guns away will not stop a person who has the intent to harm or kill people, they will find another way. Second I just gave you a couple of example of why people own these type of guns yet you seem so bent on two things that that is hunting and protection and that is your ONLY reason to own a gun. I personally want to own a few WWII guns. The gun I want the most is a MG42(Hitlers Buzz saw) because the gun was at the time the elite machine gun. I would love to take this gun to a range and shot a few hundred rounds into a target. Why because the thrill of owning this gun and having the ability to shoot the gun for entertainment and since I would never use humans targets I feel I should be allowed to own this gun. You on the other hand feel that people like me should not be allowed to own this type of gun because of a tragedy that happened in Colorado. It is not my fault some nut job decided to go on a killing spree but you feel that if we don't have these type of guns available to the general public less people will die.

**ZifanQ** · 07-24-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by 4th and 26

Taking the guns away will not stop a person who has the intent to harm or kill people, they will find another way. Second I just gave you a couple of example of why people own these type of guns yet you seem so bent on two things that that is hunting and protection and that is your ONLY reason to own a gun. I personally want to own a few WWII guns. The gun I want the most is a MG42(Hitlers Buzz saw) because the gun was at the time the elite machine gun. I would love to take this gun to a range and shot a few hundred rounds into a target. Why because the thrill of owning this gun and having the ability to shoot the gun for entertainment and since I would never use humans targets I feel I should be allowed to own this gun. You on the other hand feel that people like me should not be allowed to own this type of gun because of a tragedy that happened in Colorado. It is not my fault some nut job decided to go on a killing spree but you feel that if we don't have these type of guns available to the general public less people will die.

Nor will I ever try to hijack a plane and crash it somewhere but still I have to go crazy amount of secruity shit. It's not my fault some messed up people did it. I have to go xray thingy and get my butt checked while the babies are getting same threatment. I can't even a fucking coke aboard the plane or in my bags because someone could make a bomb with a few ml of water. What's next they make one on 10 mili liters and then you have to piss and spit before you can go on a plane?

If you wanna fire a gun sure go ahead, I think in every country you can be a member of a shooting club. So a ban on guns would still allow you to go and have fun with a gun.

**Jimmors** · 07-24-2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by 4th and 26

Taking the guns away will not stop a person who has the intent to harm or kill people, they will find another way. Second I just gave you a couple of example of why people own these type of guns yet you seem so bent on two things that that is hunting and protection and that is your ONLY reason to own a gun. I personally want to own a few WWII guns. The gun I want the most is a MG42(Hitlers Buzz saw) because the gun was at the time the elite machine gun. I would love to take this gun to a range and shot a few hundred rounds into a target. Why because the thrill of owning this gun and having the ability to shoot the gun for entertainment and since I would never use humans targets I feel I should be allowed to own this gun. You on the other hand feel that people like me should not be allowed to own this type of gun because of a tragedy that happened in Colorado. It is not my fault some nut job decided to go on a killing spree but you feel that if we don't have these type of guns available to the general public less people will die.

Yes, people bent on killing will find a way to do so. But this doesnt mean we should make it EASY for them by selling guns that do this efficiently as possible. No matter how much "fun" you would have shooting WW2 machine guns, none of that matters to me...i could care less. Because as i said...if taking a way some of your fun would mean it becomes way more difficult for criminals and mass murders to purchase fully auto assault rifles, and thereby saving a few lives in tragedies such as this, then im all for it.

But alas, it is moot. Ive voiced my opinion, and it is what it is. However, the issue on a legislative front is settled, there will be no new Gun legislation introduced, especially during an election year. So rejoice, you can have your fun shooting WW2 whatevers, and the next Jim Holmes can rest assured he will have similar access to AR-15s.

**blinddeafmute** · 07-24-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Well the 2nd Amendment kind of lists being part of a "well regulated Militia" as a precursor to "keeping and Bearing Arms." So perhaps their original intent was that everyone who owned a gun would HAVE to be part of a well regulated militia.

Yes, our founding fathers were all about mandates...

**Jimmors** · 07-24-2012, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by blinddeafmute

Yes, our founding fathers were all about mandates...

Well i was just tossing out one idea. Another interpretation would be ONLY well regulated militias would be allowed to keep and bear arms. Theres many different ways to interpret it.

**blinddeafmute** · 07-24-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Well i was just tossing out one idea. Another interpretation would be ONLY well regulated militias would be allowed to keep and bear arms. Theres many different ways to interpret it.

Then you could always look into some of the discussions the founding fathers had.

**loki520** · 07-24-2012, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

... and the next Jim Holmes can rest assured he will have similar access to AR-15s.

And fat people will continue to have access to spoons.

It's NOT the object, it's the PERSON.

**4th and 26** · 07-24-2012, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Yes, people bent on killing will find a way to do so. But this doesnt mean we should make it EASY for them by selling guns that do this efficiently as possible. No matter how much "fun" you would have shooting WW2 machine guns, none of that matters to me...i could care less. Because as i said...if taking a way some of your fun would mean it becomes way more difficult for criminals and mass murders to purchase fully auto assault rifles, and thereby saving a few lives in tragedies such as this, then im all for it.

But alas, it is moot. Ive voiced my opinion, and it is what it is. However, the issue on a legislative front is settled, there will be no new Gun legislation introduced, especially during an election year. So rejoice, you can have your fun shooting WW2 whatevers, and the next Jim Holmes can rest assured he will have similar access to AR-15s.

It is easier to google the internet on how to make a bomb yet do you think we should shut down the internet because of a few nut jobs may get a sick idea on how to kill a group of people? Do you think we should ban fertalizer and rental trucks because someone may load one up and park it in front of a federal building and blow it up? I think what happens sucks but I do not think other should have to give up freedoms to own things that may cause harm if put in the wrong hands.

**blinddeafmute** · 07-24-2012, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by 4th and 26

It is easier to google the internet on how to make a bomb yet do you think we should shut down the internet because of a few nut jobs may get a sick idea on how to kill a group of people? Do you think we should ban fertalizer and rental trucks because someone may load one up and park it in front of a federal building and blow it up? I think what happens sucks but I do not think other should have to give up freedoms to own things that may cause harm if put in the wrong hands.

Exactly!

Read a stat today that more than 4000 Americans are killed my illegal immigrants every year, yet you don't hear the left complaining about it. 33,000 Americans die in automobile accidents every year. While there are less than 10,000 gun related homicides per year. If were really worried about deaths and what causes them, guns wouldn't be at the top of the list. The right to bear arms is a constitutional one. The right to drive a car doesn't exist.

Fact is that laws prevent nothing. Never have and never will. Yes, It's tragic that a nutjob goes crazy and kills people using firearms, but that is no reason to ban them. We aren't baking planes due to a very tragic event that killed thousands....

There is very little mention of the amount of illegally possessed explosives this guy had and how the laws didn't keep him from posessing them. It is only logical that this guy would have also bypassed any laws regarding firearms....

**Blue Horse-shoe** · 07-25-2012, 01:05 AM

Artist : Elton John
Album : Caribou
Year : 1974
Song : " Ticking " - some of the lyrics :

An extremely quiet child
They called you in your school report
He's always taken interest
In the subjects that he's taught

So what was it
That brought the squad car
Screaming up your drive
To notify your parents
Of the manner in which you died

Now you'll never get to Heaven
Mama said
Remember Mama said
Ticking , ticking
Grow up straight and true blue
Run along to bed

Hear it ?
Hear it ?
Ticking , ticking
You've slept too long in silence
Mama said
Remember Mama said
Ticking , ticking
Crazy boy you'll only wind up with strange notions in your head

Hear it ? Hear it ? Ticking , ticking............

( I find it hard to believe that family members or someone else didn't notice something had gotten WAY OFF with this asshole. But people often just sit around - either afraid to say / do something ...... or give the old " well I can't do anything he's an adult " line . Lotta times people don't want to ' get involved ' or shy away from " having the fight ". Yeah don't get ur hands dirty and don't have the fight - WITH YOUR KID ...... don't even TRY to diffuse the bomb before it goes off . Not saying it WOULD have worked . But who's to say it would'nt have ? There's too much sitting around IGNORING stuff these days . I bet there's alot of people who know someone who's TICKING . People who are close enough to that person who's place IT IS to say / do something , who don't .
It's time to start diffusing more of these bombs .... cuz too many other people are the ones paying the price . )

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