Connecticut school shooting: Reports say more than 20 dead

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Originally Posted by TheBaschnagelnator

Those who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati
invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.

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Now you are arguing two different things:

1.That the Nazi "Movement" (National Socialists) was "invented" by the Illuminati
and 2.That Communism as an Ideology dates back to the French Revolution.

Neither of these arguments explain the fact that this supposed "Pike's Letter" listed NAZISM by NAME, 50 years before it was even founded (created/named/whatever). Also, Communism was at odds with "Socialist" governments, including Nazi Germany (one of the reasons Russia was their enemy in WW2).

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Originally Posted by TheBaschnagelnator

Yeah, I know. I had to slap my own face to make sure that I saw myself actually going this deep on dabears-freakin-.com

In a moment, I will be returning to the Tebow discussion lol

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Honestly, these types of Discussions take place in The Bar Scene section of the forum, im kind of surprised this whole thread wasnt moved there weeks ago. But if you havent asked Loki for the password yet, feel free to do so and you can bring up these types of threads/discussions/debates to your heart's content. Alot of political discussion goes on over there, so its welcomed.

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Originally Posted by Jimmors

Now you are arguing two different things:

1.That the Nazi "Movement" (National Socialists) was "invented" by the Illuminati
and 2.That Communism as an Ideology dates back to the French Revolution.

Neither of these arguments explain the fact that this supposed "Pike's Letter" listed NAZISM by NAME, 50 years before it was even founded (created/named/whatever). Also, Communism was at odds with "Socialist" governments, including Nazi Germany (one of the reasons Russia was their enemy in WW2).

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The Illuminati pre-dates the 19th century, and were responsible for getting the wheels turning for the parties that you numbered. Where people get lost is at the surface. When you dig a little deeper, you'll find what is called "Hegelian dialectic thinking." You create two entities (a thesis and antithesis). The people support one or the other (it doesn't matter which), and the result is the synthesis. Throughout history, people have been taught good vs bad, when at the end of the day, as long as the population remains at the cover of the book, it doesn't matter what they support, the end will be reached.

For example:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-Ua6M3QxcqRc/Te...jpg?imgmax=400
Here's an article that explains what I'm trying to say in greater detail:


Hegelian Thinking and World Politics | Freedom of American people | Bilderberg Club

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Originally Posted by Jimmors

Now you are arguing two different things:

1.That the Nazi "Movement" (National Socialists) was "invented" by the Illuminati
and 2.That Communism as an Ideology dates back to the French Revolution.

Neither of these arguments explain the fact that this supposed "Pike's Letter" listed NAZISM by NAME, 50 years before it was even founded (created/named/whatever). Also, Communism was at odds with "Socialist" governments, including Nazi Germany (one of the reasons Russia was their enemy in WW2).

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The Illuminati pre-dates the 19th century, and were responsible for getting the wheels turning for the parties that you numbered. Where people get lost is at the surface. When you dig a little deeper, you'll find what is called "Hegelian dialectic thinking." You create two entities (a thesis and antithesis). The people support one or the other (it doesn't matter which), and the result is the synthesis. Throughout history, people have been taught good vs bad, when at the end of the day, as long as the population remains at the cover of the book, it doesn't matter what they support; the end will be reached.

For example:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-Ua6M3QxcqRc/Te...jpg?imgmax=400
Here's an article that explains what I'm trying to say in greater detail:


Hegelian Thinking and World Politics | Freedom of American people | Bilderberg Club

I understand what youre trying to say, and that concept...hell, our two political parties arent all that different...they end up doing the same shit.

However, its impossible for any one entity or group to "control" events that happen for two simple reasons:
1.Human nature.
2.Dumb blind luck.

You cant control human nature, people will act in ways that will confound your best efforts at control, any parent can testify to this fact when it comes to their kids. Also, you cant account for things that end up happening due to blind luck. Here's an excellent article on Cracked that demonstrates how huge events in history started due to luck:

6 Random Coincidences That Created The Modern World | Cracked.com

The first assassination attempt on Ferdinand failed. And whoever orchestrated it could not have possibly predicted what Ferdinand would have done after this fact, so its impossible to control what happened next.

Are there groups/individuals that take advantage of events in history? Of course.
Do these groups have enormous political influence and shape some events? Sure.
But do they actually CONTROL what happens or will happen? No.

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Originally Posted by Jimmors

Not for me it isnt. In fact, "dang, batman knew it all along" is probably the last thing on a very long list of things i would possibly say over this tragedy.

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hey fair enough. i don't like for these things to happen either but unfortunately they do and i'm a believer that something positive has to come out of such events otherwise i would have done myself in a long time ago.

as marc trestman instilled in us here: 'everything matters'. we won our 2009 championship in spite of overcoming great hardships. also 'winning the day' and when you're not destined to win 'the pursuit will be the reward' which means whatever positive thing you accomplished to try to win will stay with you for always.

just thought i'd post some things that based on 1 pic we know are absolute truths

bigfoot
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/paterso...ge-300x300.jpg


loch ness monster
http://www.wired.com/images/article/...nster_580x.jpg

UFOs
http://www.ufoera.com/images/ufo/ufo-phoenix_053.jpg

wow the lions won the super bowl!
http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.d...ons-Super-Bowl

and of course zombies
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploa...ie-404x600.jpg

yes im making fun of this but really its not funny. its one thing to say we never went to the moon, or the man that shot kennedy was on the grassy noll.

however saying a family is faking the death of their 6 year old that was killed in a unimaginably horrific way, is appalling at best.

imagine if it was your daughter.

thats my 0.02 cents believe what you want or dont want.

this is my 1st and only post in this despicable thread. im not getting wrapped up in this.

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Originally Posted by Jimmors

Honestly, these types of Discussions take place in The Bar Scene section of the forum, im kind of surprised this whole thread wasnt moved there weeks ago. But if you havent asked Loki for the password yet, feel free to do so and you can bring up these types of threads/discussions/debates to your heart's content. Alot of political discussion goes on over there, so its welcomed.

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Sounds good. We've worn this thread out. Just for the record Jimmors, I enjoy our discussions. We could take things over there like you said, and we'll keep it structured and organized. I agree that the things we are discussing are becoming inappropriate for the open forum, and I do apologize for going into certain comments that I have made without going deeper in that specific topic. It was wreckless of me to shift gears prematurely. I'll send Loki a request. Thanks, Jimmors!

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Originally Posted by TheBaschnagelnator

Sounds good. We've worn this thread out. Just for the record Jimmors, I enjoy our discussions. We could take things over there like you said, and we'll keep it structured and organized. I agree that the things we are discussing are becoming inappropriate for the open forum, and I do apologize for going into certain comments that I have made without going deeper in that specific topic. It was wreckless of me to shift gears prematurely. I'll send Loki a request. Thanks, Jimmors!

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Yeah, its definitely where threads like this should be (MODS). You can post there without worrying about offending anyone (sorry Metalman!!), and theres plenty of debate going on. Only real rules i can think of is no nudity/porn and no racism, but outside that its pretty much anything goes.

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Originally Posted by Jimmors

Yeah, its definitely where threads like this should be (MODS). You can post there without worrying about offending anyone (sorry Metalman!!), and theres plenty of debate going on. Only real rules i can think of is no nudity/porn and no racism, but outside that its pretty much anything goes.

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I agree that out of respect for the victims and their families it's time to move on and hope for the best.