Reading all these articles and seeing the pictures I'm on the egde to cry out man.. this is so horrible why would anyone do this... It's fucking children at a school.
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Reading all these articles and seeing the pictures I'm on the egde to cry out man.. this is so horrible why would anyone do this... It's fucking children at a school.
im at work stopped reading this stuff because feeling the same way
I am at a loss of words. These were just children. Kindergarteners. No, I don't have kids, but I work with a lot of kids, and this is killing me inside. I can not even begin to imagine what those of you who have children are thinking right now.
This is the worst feeling that a parent could ever feel would be losing a child and especially when it happens like this. The worst part is that you are completely helpless when this happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Benjamin
Tragic is beyond that! As when kids are involved! Thoughts and prayers are with those that lost loved ones. In particular parents of children that were killed. You would think school would be safe. Well if it can happen in CT, it can happen anywhere else.:sad44:
The shooter was a distrubed young man who pulled the trigger of weapons purchased and properly registered by his mother.
My kids were at home when the news broke.
We talked. And we all sat on the sofa together for a long time.
I think the larger issue is how poorly this country is able to handle mental illness, not talking the lifelong or heavy shit either, something that can be as simple as depression can bring something like this on. The loved ones of these people suffer w/out doing anything while the person slowly slips into illness(not saying this was the case here).
Hardest thing I've ever done in my life was goto school and call my mom(who lived out of town) and told her I had to call the mental hospital to go get dad b/c his mind was lost again. I was 17, the year before he'd been in the hospital for severe depression, and the doctors kept changing his medicine around. A year later he was spending most his time in some kind of weird 1/2 awake 1/2 dream state. The night before I got totalled the car, got a ride home from the cops and he wasn't home; he wasn't working and had no car(I had just wrecked it). I completely freaked b/c even when he was healthy he wasn't one to leave the house and go anywhere w/out a car. He finally came home talking about how it was bowling night(it wasn't and hadn't been part of a league for a few years). Thank God he went w/the ambulance. I think my mom or sister called and talked to him before they got there. I was legitimately scared, for him more then me, if he had refused I don't know what I could have done.
BFM, they already have, the evil dems have politicized this moment, how dare they.....j/k. It was a given, it's what DC does they see a oppertunity to move forward on one of their long standing goals they will go for it, dems repubs or whoever. And it's why I hate any politician and wish they were even more limited then they currently are, instead we ignorantly hand them more and more power.
My heart goes out to these teachers and childeren, and their families.
Politicization of a tragedy is simply politics at it's worst. You would be hard pressed to find a politician that doesn't do it in one form or another. After all, it is the emotional outcry of things like this that can provide the necessary momentum to make a change. Not always successfully, but still...
I'm a proponent of the 2nd Amendment. Good damn luck trying to ever get sufficient changes to it that would ever change something like this. You can try and legislate all you want but the people most likely to use firearms violently, either criminal or mentally unstable, are also the one's least likely to pay attention to any outcome of legislative efforts or "bans". You think a ban on "assault weapons" is going to stop something like this? No, not hardly. You think the inaccessibility of high capacity magazines (or "clips" for the fucking idiots who keep calling them "clips") will prevent these things? Obviously, you've never actually tried to reload a weapon with a magazine. The difference between a 20 round mag, and a 10 round mag, is about 2 seconds. And the cops are still usually minutes away.
Yes... there is a need for a conversation about our mental health care. But that won't appease those that want to ban firearms (either specifically or generally). And even if banned, just like last time, there will be some sort of grandfather clause and none of it will prevent access to those already on the streets.
But, there is another conversation that COULD happen... help prevent things like this... and may not be fought against so hard that it would prevent any type of action... Legally purchases firearms may only be sold to those who have verifiable proof of...
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I am not really sure I am ready to start talking about this politically yet, but since the seal has already been broken, I'll make a few brief and still developing comments/thoughts...
I am not a gun grabber...never have been...I grew up with guns; they don't bother me...I don't currently own any, but I don't care if you do...
With that said, I hope that legislate the piss out of "assault weapons," "clips" and anything else that makes is so damn easy to kill so many people so effortlessly...I am ready for a good old fashion, knee jerk over reaction...far too long we have under reacted to these incidences....this time we need to go the other way...
Does this mean we are going outlaw firearms in general and take that all your guns away like some per Nazi Germany or Soviet Union? No...If you think and spout that nonsense, you're part of the fucking problem and quite frankly, I don't care what you think....I am done listening and trying to respect your paranoid delusions...
There is plenty of personal protection to be found in a simple revolver or shotgun...you can even carry that revolver on your person for all I care...
I am angry, I am scared...that could have been my kid's schools, those could have been my kids...and there is nothing I could have done to protect them...not a single firearm protected those kids in CT...I sick and tired of the Hollywood LIE that gun protect people...nobody is running around like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino...it's a fantasy...no, the real world is full of people like Adam Lanza...it's time we deal with reality and save our fantasies for the movies...
that is a pretty damn good talking point. If you can afford a $1000 rifle why cant you buy a gun safe? I own many many firearms and have everything locked up in a pretty big safe that weighs 500 lbs and is bolted to the ground. Not only am I protecting my investment but also I dont need my nephews stumbling around in my room then playing with that stuff. Its all about responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by loki520
another thing I would like looking into is the background check process and how much of it is a sham cause of privacy laws. Im not familiar with what goes into a background check but maybe something added for people who live with those with mental illness.
you can ban guns but the fear of some mental case will still be there. Noone has brought up the china man who killed twenty kids at a school with a knife(supposedly china has one of the strictest gun laws and not sure didnt look it up someone told me this is the third time this happened this year). No one brings up the guy who walked into a college classroom with a bow and arrow shot his dad then stabbed him. Canada has gun bans and they had a school massacre(again someone told me this didnt research this one). Look up on youtube come guy with a ccw was carrying at the mall pulled out his gun and scared the guy to run for cover where he offed himself(guy didnt shoot suspect cause innocents around and didnt want to accidently hit anyone).
Another thing is that is common with all these shootings they happen in the sacred gun free zones. How about if teachers got tasers or pepper blasters? We saw the bravery that these teachers displayed in this situation god knows how many lives they saved. Pepper blasters shoot up to 13 feet I bet the principle could have used that.
there is no easy answer to this but the bottom line yes something should change but idt the ban will do jack shit but change the method of a lunatics way of carrying crap out. We can ban everything but ignoring the mental illness part we will be revisiting the same situation again after a ban