Thread: Connecticut school shooting: Reports say more than 20 dead

im at work stopped reading this stuff because feeling the same way

I am at a loss of words. These were just children. Kindergarteners. No, I don't have kids, but I work with a lot of kids, and this is killing me inside. I can not even begin to imagine what those of you who have children are thinking right now.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

I am at a loss of words. These were just children. Kindergarteners. No, I don't have kids, but I work with a lot of kids, and this is killing me inside. I can not even begin to imagine what those of you who have children are thinking right now.

This is the worst feeling that a parent could ever feel would be losing a child and especially when it happens like this. The worst part is that you are completely helpless when this happens.

I think the larger issue is how poorly this country is able to handle mental illness, not talking the lifelong or heavy shit either, something that can be as simple as depression can bring something like this on. The loved ones of these people suffer w/out doing anything while the person slowly slips into illness(not saying this was the case here).

Hardest thing I've ever done in my life was goto school and call my mom(who lived out of town) and told her I had to call the mental hospital to go get dad b/c his mind was lost again. I was 17, the year before he'd been in the hospital for severe depression, and the doctors kept changing his medicine around. A year later he was spending most his time in some kind of weird 1/2 awake 1/2 dream state. The night before I got totalled the car, got a ride home from the cops and he wasn't home; he wasn't working and had no car(I had just wrecked it). I completely freaked b/c even when he was healthy he wasn't one to leave the house and go anywhere w/out a car. He finally came home talking about how it was bowling night(it wasn't and hadn't been part of a league for a few years). Thank God he went w/the ambulance. I think my mom or sister called and talked to him before they got there. I was legitimately scared, for him more then me, if he had refused I don't know what I could have done.


BFM, they already have, the evil dems have politicized this moment, how dare they.....j/k. It was a given, it's what DC does they see a oppertunity to move forward on one of their long standing goals they will go for it, dems repubs or whoever. And it's why I hate any politician and wish they were even more limited then they currently are, instead we ignorantly hand them more and more power.

My heart goes out to these teachers and childeren, and their families.

Originally Posted by loki520

Politicization of a tragedy is simply politics at it's worst. You would be hard pressed to find a politician that doesn't do it in one form or another. After all, it is the emotional outcry of things like this that can provide the necessary momentum to make a change. Not always successfully, but still...

I'm a proponent of the 2nd Amendment. Good damn luck trying to ever get sufficient changes to it that would ever change something like this. You can try and legislate all you want but the people most likely to use firearms violently, either criminal or mentally unstable, are also the one's least likely to pay attention to any outcome of legislative efforts or "bans". You think a ban on "assault weapons" is going to stop something like this? No, not hardly. You think the inaccessibility of high capacity magazines (or "clips" for the fucking idiots who keep calling them "clips") will prevent these things? Obviously, you've never actually tried to reload a weapon with a magazine. The difference between a 20 round mag, and a 10 round mag, is about 2 seconds. And the cops are still usually minutes away.

Yes... there is a need for a conversation about our mental health care. But that won't appease those that want to ban firearms (either specifically or generally). And even if banned, just like last time, there will be some sort of grandfather clause and none of it will prevent access to those already on the streets.

But, there is another conversation that COULD happen... help prevent things like this... and may not be fought against so hard that it would prevent any type of action... Legally purchases firearms may only be sold to those who have verifiable proof of...

Spoiler

You thought I was gonna say "mental competency" check, didncha? I certainly agree that wouldn't be a bad thing, but no... I'm thinking of firearm owner responsibility.





You can get cabinets for slightly more than $150... you can get safes for much more. Don't let the cost fool you, these things provide a GOOD layer of security. You SHOULD be required to prove, or purchase a trigger lock at the same time as the weapon, that you have a secure storage or security device prior to being sold a weapon.

If used correctly, at all times, they would prevent a lot of the violence that we have seen due to some nut ball using someone else's legally purchased weapons. Any legislation that mandated this should ALSO mandate equal criminal liability if you didn't use one. Someone is killed with a weapon you failed to adequately secure? You're up on murder charges. Sure, that doesn't do good for the mother who is also taken out by her son, but... the idea is to LESSEN the number of scenarios such as this weekends, because you won't be able to stop all of them, no matter what you do. You won't be able to get existing weapons, bans or not, off the street... and there are literally millions of them. What you should be able to do is give everyone the rights they scream about, but give them the responsiblity to exercise them securely.

I'm sure the NRA would still fight against legislation that required that... but I think that would be a losing battle. Responsible firearm owners either already do, or fully understand the need to, secure firearms from prying hands. Part of the NRA "schtick" is proper security for your firearms. It would be stupid for them to advocate one thing, but balk when possible life-saving legislation advocated, or even mandated, the same thing.

that is a pretty damn good talking point. If you can afford a $1000 rifle why cant you buy a gun safe? I own many many firearms and have everything locked up in a pretty big safe that weighs 500 lbs and is bolted to the ground. Not only am I protecting my investment but also I dont need my nephews stumbling around in my room then playing with that stuff. Its all about responsibility.

another thing I would like looking into is the background check process and how much of it is a sham cause of privacy laws. Im not familiar with what goes into a background check but maybe something added for people who live with those with mental illness.

you can ban guns but the fear of some mental case will still be there. Noone has brought up the china man who killed twenty kids at a school with a knife(supposedly china has one of the strictest gun laws and not sure didnt look it up someone told me this is the third time this happened this year). No one brings up the guy who walked into a college classroom with a bow and arrow shot his dad then stabbed him. Canada has gun bans and they had a school massacre(again someone told me this didnt research this one). Look up on youtube come guy with a ccw was carrying at the mall pulled out his gun and scared the guy to run for cover where he offed himself(guy didnt shoot suspect cause innocents around and didnt want to accidently hit anyone).

Another thing is that is common with all these shootings they happen in the sacred gun free zones. How about if teachers got tasers or pepper blasters? We saw the bravery that these teachers displayed in this situation god knows how many lives they saved. Pepper blasters shoot up to 13 feet I bet the principle could have used that.



there is no easy answer to this but the bottom line yes something should change but idt the ban will do jack shit but change the method of a lunatics way of carrying crap out. We can ban everything but ignoring the mental illness part we will be revisiting the same situation again after a ban