Connecticut school shooting: Reports say more than 20 dead

Wolf, I don't completely disagree with you. But I think the real issue is how easily accessable schools are to people that shouldn't be there. What was this guy doing in that school? Ya his mom works there, so F'n what? Call her down to the office. I also think all doors should be locked from the outside, other then when the kids are coming in or leaving. The only access you should have is through the front office while school is in session.

I think more imporantly, there needs to be mental stability tests given to anyone owning a firearm, periodically also, not just at the time of the purchase. And they should be forced to prove they are purchasing, or have purchased a lock/safe to keep the arms locked away unless they are using them.

I don't see anyway you can legislate out violence. Those could have been my kids too; but I don't see a need to use this as an excuse to put in a law limiting my rights when it won't do anything. The guy was unstable, he could have just as easily used a handgun, revolver, sword, knife, or bat. Like Motown pointed out, it just happened in China w/a knife, and I wouldn't be surpised at all if that wasn't the first place or first time. If there is a want, there is a market, and if there is a market there will be a way to get anything banned. Just ask the drug dealers, and illegal gun runners right now. All you do is remove the legal tracking of these guns. All the govt laws that have been put in place to stop drunk driving, illegal drug use, prositution, rape, murder, animal abuse, gambling, and all are still very prevelent in our society, to much so. The change can not be made at the govt level, it has to be made at the societal level. We have to be more involved in eachothers lives, and when others have real issues we have to be willing to step in and help them; or at least protect others from them. Society has to turn it's back on violence in all ways, on tv/movies, in music, in every aspect of real life also. You start to remove violence as acceptable recourse then you will see this lessen(not go away). But legislation will not remove it.

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Wolf, I don't completely disagree with you. But I think the real issue is how easily accessable schools are to people that shouldn't be there. What was this guy doing in that school? Ya his mom works there, so F'n what? Call her down to the office. I also think all doors should be locked from the outside, other then when the kids are coming in or leaving. The only access you should have is through the front office while school is in session.

I think more imporantly, there needs to be mental stability tests given to anyone owning a firearm, periodically also, not just at the time of the purchase. And they should be forced to prove they are purchasing, or have purchased a lock/safe to keep the arms locked away unless they are using them.

I don't see anyway you can legislate out violence. Those could have been my kids too; but I don't see a need to use this as an excuse to put in a law limiting my rights when it won't do anything. The guy was unstable, he could have just as easily used a handgun, revolver, sword, knife, or bat. Like Motown pointed out, it just happened in China w/a knife, and I wouldn't be surpised at all if that wasn't the first place or first time. If there is a want, there is a market, and if there is a market there will be a way to get anything banned. Just ask the drug dealers, and illegal gun runners right now. All you do is remove the legal tracking of these guns. All the govt laws that have been put in place to stop drunk driving, illegal drug use, prositution, rape, murder, animal abuse, gambling, and all are still very prevelent in our society, to much so. The change can not be made at the govt level, it has to be made at the societal level. We have to be more involved in eachothers lives, and when others have real issues we have to be willing to step in and help them; or at least protect others from them. Society has to turn it's back on violence in all ways, on tv/movies, in music, in every aspect of real life also. You start to remove violence as acceptable recourse then you will see this lessen(not go away). But legislation will not remove it.

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So, let them use a knife or a bat...that china man with a knife only wounded 22 children...I call that a step in the right direction...

I don't expect miracles though legislation...I am just tired of the lame excuses for doing nothing...

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Originally Posted by motownbear

that is a pretty damn good talking point. If you can afford a $1000 rifle why cant you buy a gun safe? I own many many firearms and have everything locked up in a pretty big safe that weighs 500 lbs and is bolted to the ground. Not only am I protecting my investment but also I dont need my nephews stumbling around in my room then playing with that stuff. Its all about responsibility.

another thing I would like looking into is the background check process and how much of it is a sham cause of privacy laws. Im not familiar with what goes into a background check but maybe something added for people who live with those with mental illness.

you can ban guns but the fear of some mental case will still be there. Noone has brought up the china man who killed twenty kids at a school with a knife(supposedly china has one of the strictest gun laws and not sure didnt look it up someone told me this is the third time this happened this year). No one brings up the guy who walked into a college classroom with a bow and arrow shot his dad then stabbed him. Canada has gun bans and they had a school massacre(again someone told me this didnt research this one). Look up on youtube come guy with a ccw was carrying at the mall pulled out his gun and scared the guy to run for cover where he offed himself(guy didnt shoot suspect cause innocents around and didnt want to accidently hit anyone).

Another thing is that is common with all these shootings they happen in the sacred gun free zones. How about if teachers got tasers or pepper blasters? We saw the bravery that these teachers displayed in this situation god knows how many lives they saved. Pepper blasters shoot up to 13 feet I bet the principle could have used that.



there is no easy answer to this but the bottom line yes something should change but idt the ban will do jack shit but change the method of a lunatics way of carrying crap out. We can ban everything but ignoring the mental illness part we will be revisiting the same situation again after a ban

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Because nobody was killed.
At 8 a.m. this morning, a 36-year-old man named Min Yingjun entered a primary school in Chengping, in central China, and proceeded to stab 22 schoolchildren and one adult with a knife.But here's the difference between a mass stabbing and a mass shooting with a Bushmaster .223: In Chengping, nobody died. Only nine of the injured students were hospitalized. Only two were seriously injured.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...he_newtown.php
About the school shooting in Canada etc etc. Why brother with terror safety? Why so much trouble just to get on a plane? If someone wanna make a terror then they can do it, I can come up with many ways. By a gun, and start shooting people. (If you got the money) by a private plane and fill it with petrol and crash into something. Put some nails infront of a car and drive into people on strees. You can't stop all, but you still do what ever you can in order to stop terror. So imo the argument of "you can still create a school massacre" fails.
I know this is never going to work in reality but I don't know this but I assume you can't take weapon into a stadium? Have someone ever been killed in a stadium by a gun?

So it's not a national tragedy if no one dies....Check. Merely maiming childeren is perfectly acceptable, no need to get rid of those wicked knives; b/c God knows if he wanted to he couldn't have slit their throats; only guns kill people in the lib world......fucking loons.

What happened in China, and the other area motown talked about are just a tragic; if only 1 or no one had died in CT, it's still tragic and I'd still weep, I'd still have come home and held my kids. I'd still worry about them at school. And ya know what; w/not one death the Pres and the Dems in wash would still be trying to pursue those gun bans; they are just using this to fullfill their want to strip more freedom from the US people.

It is a very sad thing that happened but removing guns will not stop the crazys. Perhaps the media need to chill a bit on this instances because I feel it gives certain people some bad ideas on how they can make themself known for killing people. I personally think there are people out there that want to top the elemenItry school killings and the copycats will eventually do it. I would not be suprised if we see someone park a rental van in front of a school loaded with fertalizer waiting for the right moment to detonate it and kill as many people. Who knows is we have another sniper incident again. I do think we need to improve the safety of schools but how much are we going to spend to try and protect the children? Maybe we should stop giving billions to other countries and use that money on our schools or perhaps hire armed guards as the schools. Maybe safe rooms need to be build into each class room, I don't know but I worry every day when my kids go to school. I will say this scares me and has caused me to lose sleep over the killing of small children. I live right next to an elementry school and there have been incidents but nothing like this. It is still scary and there have been lock downs but to be honest they are not going to stop somone from breaking into the school, the only good thing I can say is that the police department is only 2 blocks away from 2 schools and it would not take long for them to respond. I just hope this never happens again.

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

So, let them use a knife or a bat...that china man with a knife only wounded 22 children...I call that a step in the right direction...

I don't expect miracles though legislation...I am just tired of the lame excuses for doing nothing...

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Just curious, what should legislation do about this problem?

9/11 had me stunned, in disbelief, shocked. Aurora had me feeling much the same way.
Newtown ripped my soul.
I wish I could go back in time, just far enough to run that kid off the road and into a police cruiser, miles before.

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

So it's not a national tragedy if no one dies....Check. Merely maiming childeren is perfectly acceptable, no need to get rid of those wicked knives; b/c God knows if he wanted to he couldn't have slit their throats; only guns kill people in the lib world......fucking loons.

What happened in China, and the other area motown talked about are just a tragic; if only 1 or no one had died in CT, it's still tragic and I'd still weep, I'd still have come home and held my kids. I'd still worry about them at school. And ya know what; w/not one death the Pres and the Dems in wash would still be trying to pursue those gun bans; they are just using this to fullfill their want to strip more freedom from the US people.

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Asshole on the internet putting words in my month...check...

Of course it is a tragedy whenever children are maimed or killed...between reasonable, civil adults, I would have expected that to be a given...silly me...

Tell you what Mr. Smartass, why don't you go ask those 40 odd parents in CT which tragedy they would rather being dealing with right now...a maimed child at the hands of a man with knife or a dead child at the hands of a man with assault rife...you REALLY think what happened in CT would have played out just the same way had he merely had a knife instead of all those guns?

What happened in China...I could give a flying fuck what happened in China...and the only people who do supposedly care are intentionally and selfishly trying to downplay and defect what happened in CT...

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Originally Posted by 4th and 26

Just curious, what should legislation do about this problem?

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I would like to ban all military style firearms from civilian ownership...the technical terms be damn, we all know the kind of weapons with are talking...these weapons are not used for hunting; they are not needed for home or personal protection; they are not keeping you free from a tyrannical government...they are designed to one thing: to kill people effectively and efficiently....plus there a lot of fun to shoot...I get that, I really do...

But you know what....you want play Rambo, join the army or the fucking national guard...aka a well regulated Militia....

Just to be clear, I don't want to ban hunting or target rifles, shotguns or handguns (although limiting mag size maybe be a good idea)...

Once again, I don't think any law will fix the problem...I am just tired of making it so damn easy for this problem to exist...the ready availability of these weapons has to be ended...

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

I would like to ban all military style firearms from civilian ownership...the technical terms be damn, we all know the kind of weapons with are talking...these weapons are not used for hunting; they are not needed for home or personal protection; they are not keeping you free from a tyrannical government...they are designed to one thing: to kill people effectively and efficiently....plus there a lot of fun to shoot...I get that, I really do...

But you know what....you want play Rambo, join the army or the fucking national guard...aka a well regulated Militia....

Just to be clear, I don't want to ban hunting or target rifles, shotguns or handguns (although limiting mag size maybe be a good idea)...

Once again, I don't think any law will fix the problem...I am just tired of making it so damn easy for this problem to exist...the ready availability of these weapons has to be ended...

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What percentage of murders are committed with guns that fit your description?

You do realize that no assault weapons were used in the killing in CT, correct?



It's one thing to want regulations, its another to want effective regulations.