Thread: Jerry Angelo's draft blunders

Mark Bradley got released from the Chiefs last year.

Originally Posted by GSH Monsters

I was just curious what people thought of players like Mark Colombo, yes he was injury plagued with the Bears but has went on to have a productive career with Dallas, another troubled past player was Tank Johnson, Chris Harris, Mark Bradley is a few off the top of my head. Some of these players are decent players but because of injuries or legal trouble got released. Hind sight is 20/20 or something like that.....LOL I'm sure if any G.M. had things to do over again they would do things differently. I look at things like would Aromashodu seen the field last year had Hester not gotten hurt.

Like you said, Colombo was another guy that forced the Bears' hand because of all of the injuries, Tank had all the legal problems, Harris is having a decent career, but not that good, and Bradley hasn't been any better since leaving. I agree about DA, though. It sucks that it took an injury to get him on the field. Glad he did, though!

Originally Posted by Papa Bear

I agree about DA, though. It sucks that it took an injury to get him on the field. Glad he did, though!

You and me both!

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Against a team like Indy, NO's, NYG's, Philly, SD it's very poor. I didn't go back as far as 2002(did 2004), and I only did the 1st 2 rounds, but they did very well(although my post was from last year). Think Indy still has all but 1 or 2 players from the 1st two rounds still on their team, and contributing.

I refuse to use league averages b/c I refuse to rank the Bears w/the Det's, Browns and Oak's of the league.

Unfortunately, averages are the only way to get an objective argument. You are willing to stack them up against the handful of teams that have very good drafts, while dismissing the handful that very poor drafts. Also, it doesnt take into account free agency acquisitions, nor does it account for the fact that alot of draft picks simply fill out rosters and are not even starters, relegated to special teams.

Just thought I'd throw all draft picks out there, I hope I got all them, somebody let me know if I left somebody out or missed something.

2002-Chicago Bears Draft
RND SEL# PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 29 MARC COLOMBO T BOSTON COLLEGE
3 72 ROE WILLIAMS GB TUSKEGEE
3 93 TERRENCE METCALF G MISSISSIPPI
4 104 ALEX BROWN DE FLORIDA
5 140 BOBBY GRAY DB LOUISIANA TECH
5 165 BRYAN KNIGHT DE PITTSBURGH
6 199 ADRIAN PETERSON RB GEORGIA SOUTHERN
6 203 JAMIN ELLIOTT WR DELAWARE
6 210 BRYAN FLETCHER TE UCLA


2003-Chicago Bears Draft
RND SEL# PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn State
1 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida
2 35 Charles Tillman CB Louisiana-Lafayette
3 68 Lance Briggs OLB Arizona
4 100 Todd Johnson DB Florida
4 116 Ian Scott DT Florida
5 139 Bobby Wade WR Arizona
5 143 Justin Gage WR Missouri
5 171 Tron Lafavor DT Florida
6 191 Joe Odom LB Purdue
6 206 Brock Forsey RB Boise State
7 261 Bryan Anderson G Pittsburgh


2004-Chicago Bears Draft
RND SEL# PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma
2 47 Tank Johnson DT Washington
3 78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State
4 110 Nathan Vasher CB Texas
4 112 Leon Joe LB Maryland
5 147 Claude Harriott DE Pittsburgh
5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State
7 215 Alfonso Marshall CB Miami (Fla)


2005-Chicago Bears Draft
RND SEL# PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas
2 39 Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma
4 106 Kyle Orton QB Purdue
5 140 Airese Currie WR Clemson
6 181 Chris Harris FS Louisiana-Monroe
7 220 Rod Wilson LB South Carolina


2006-Chicago Bears Draft
RND SEL# PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 42 Daniel Manning FS Abilene Christian
2 57 Devin Hester DB Miami (Fla)
3 73 Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma
4 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State
5 159 Mark Williams DE Alabama
6 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma
6 200 Tyler Reed G Penn State


2007-Chicago Bears Draft
RND SEL# PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami(FLA)
2 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan
3 93 Garrett Wolf RB Northern Illinois
3 94 Michael Okwo LB Stanford
4 130 Josh Beekman G Boston College
5 167 Kevin Payne SAF Louisiana-Monroe
5 168 Corey Graham CB New Hampshire
7 221 Trumaine McBride CB Mississippi
7 241 Aaron Brant T Iowa State


2008-Chicago Bears Draft
RND SEL# PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
2 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane
3 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
3 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas
4 120 Craig Steltz SAF Louisiana State
5 142 Zack Bowman CB Nebraska
5 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State
7 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State
7 222 Chetser Adams G Georgia
7 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State
7 247 Kirk Barton T Ohio State
7 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas

2009-Chicago Bears Draft
RND SEL# PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

3 68 Jarron Gilbert Dt San Jose State
3 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma
4 105 Henry Melton DE Texas
4 119 D.J. Moore CB Vanderbilt
5 140 Johnny Knox Abilene Christian
5 154 Marcus Freeman OLB Ohio State
6 190 Al Afalava S Oregon
7 246 Lance Louis TE San Diego State
7 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

I won't give JA too much credit nor too much blame. Lack of player development (Rod comes to mind) and players sitting on the bench like D.A. or draft picks that don't even see the field due to redshirt (Bennett) or during blowouts or for whatever else of a reason.
Add in scheme and players playing out of position and I'd say we are in the middle of the pack when it comes to G.M.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Yes Jimmors I am willing to stack the deck b/c I want and expect the Bears to be consistant winners. Why would I rate them against teams I don't want them to be like? I want a guy like Polian as the GM of the Bears b/c he shows an ability to consistantly draft well and put his teams in position to win SB's, while a guy like Al Davis puts his team in a position to constantly draft in the top 10.
FA is another matter that would be much harder to judge. Jimmy Johnson said, when he was coaching, he only worried about 1/3 of the teams, and that the rest would find a way to beat themselves. Right now I would not put the Bears, the way they are coached/run/draft, 1/3 team range.

I think what Jimmors might be trying to get at is that if you were to look at all of the teams then you can see the league average. If the Bears are in that middle of the pack area then all of the JA hate is a bit harsh. If the Bears were closer to the Browns/Lions/etc. then the hate might be justified. And, crazy as it seems, if they were on the better side of the average line then JA should get more respect. Now, having said that, I'm sure the Bears would come out slightly below average to poor, but we don't know that until we average all of the teams.