Thread: No need to tamper with winning formula

Originally Posted by dabears54

and you seem to not read my posts or understand that how many wins the 2009 packers COMPLETELY irrelevant to this discussion and who cares? about your ad hominen point that has NOTHING to do with the trend of alot penalties each week being committed by the packers.

Yay...you finally get the point. WHo cares about what they did last year, whether that is lead the league in penalites, or go 11-5 and make the playoffs? Nobody should, because its LAST YEAR. This year is different. But if you still want to toot your "trends" horn, here's two points you should consider:

1.This year is only 3 games in. So who's to say what will happen at the end of the season? Maybe the Packers will lead the league in Penalties, maybe the Bears will, maybe neither will...who knows...the point is, all the "trends" about last year will not predict what will or will not happen this season, and therefor is MEANINGLESS when discussing this season.

But hey, you really like to chew on stats, so here is some more relevant stats to think about:
Guess how many penalties the Packers had going into MNF?....8.
Guess how many the Bears had in GAME 1 against Detroit?....9.

So yeah...thats right, going into MNF, the Bears had more penalties then the packers did. If you want to discuss what is happening this year, then by all means, go right on ahead. But dont try to play Carnac the Magnificent and pretend like you know what will happen this season based on a "trend" from last year. As you so willingly pointed out, how many wins they had in 2009 is irrelevant to this discussion, just as how many penalties they had in 2009 is irrelevant. Oh i know you are going to disagree with tht and are going to try and convince me that that PARTICULAR trend is oh so relevent...BUT ITS NOT. If you disagree, then refer to point #1 i just made.

you seem to think saying the packers went 11-5 means somethign to the subject when it doesn't.. might as well said the saints won the superbowl would be about as point as your comment is -My point. i hate to brake it to you, but how many games the packers own last year has No signifcance to the subject, while somehow you hink it did! So again, who cares? how many wins the packers had last year

No i dont...i think how many wins they had last year is meaningless when discussing this season. I only used it to pint out that how many penalties they accrued in 2009 was meaningless as well.

Originally Posted by dabears54

Wait you mean a team is NOT tops in a ll stats.. i'm shocked!..lololol

So by your measure I take it you find the chargers and indy "mediocre" last year and not 'good"? and if not.. better check their stats.. and see how they mirror the bears..lololol

So jimmors were the chargers and indy medicore last year? yes or no : ) i mean while the Weere tops in some they are 3oth and 32nd in others which is horrible so therefore medicore, right?..lol

Ha...knew you would blow right past the point i was making.

Ill repeat it again since you have ADD:

If you claim the Bears are "good" based on some of their stats, then someone else could just as easily claim we are "bad" based on other stats.
And yes, this is exactly why i am arguing with you...because you only see what you WANT to see. Im more of a realist, i take the good WITH the bad. Ive only been labeled a kool aid drinking homer because i didnt jump on the haterade bandwagon.

But that being aside, G-Zan is exactly right...the Bears are playing mediocre. Great in some areas, Horrible in others. You want to celebrate like its 1986 and everything is sweet and awesome and nothing can go wrong, then you go right ahead...but me, i have some real concerns with this team...they need to shape up soon, or its going to be another let down of a season.

Originally Posted by dabears54

Ahh ok so NOTHING that has happened before matters,, i'll remember this jimmors..lol

we shall agree to disagree how a player or teams did in the past has NO relevance the next year I do think many trends can be seen. I just think Wins had nothing to do with penalties, which you still don't understand, but no use going in that circle anymore

and not sure where you are getting your stats from but they are WAY WRONG..

But hey, you really like to chew on stats, so here is some more relevant stats to think about:
Guess how many penalties the Packers had going into MNF?....8.
Guess how many the Bears had in GAME 1 against Detroit?....9.

greenbay has 26 offensive penalties and 19 defensive penalties( i guess you forgot to include the "D'..lol) which is 47- 18 which would still be 29 penalties!.. and that doesn't even include the ST teams like the block in back has monday so know its even higher.. so guess what? your point is still wrong and next time try and chew better : )

I pulled it from NFL.com, so take it up with them.

And no...what a team/player has done in previous season has no RELEVANCE on a new season. Jay Cutler lead the league in interceptions last year, theres a trend for you, so if i put relevance in trends, then i could assume he would lead it this year as well, but hes not. Even if the packers are leading the league again in penalties, my orignal point still stands...WHO CARES? Some trends continue, some dont, and some new trends occur.

Thats my point about relevance. If, at the end of the year, the Packers lead the league in penalties again..then wow, hey, thats 2 years in a row...i guess you must be right, let me bow down to the importance of your trend. And if they dont...then whats the procedure? Thats why it doesnt matter.

Originally Posted by dabears54

why avoid the question asked?

were the chargers and indy medicore last year, yes or no..

HA! i knew you would ignore answering this! since you have ADD and refuse to answer questions and go off on irrevevant tangents.. or make up stats like the amount of penalties the packers have..lolol

Because you avoided the point i was making. So im not going to humor you with an answer while you completely ignore everything else i write. im not going to feed your selective reading problem. And yes, i do have an answer for your question, and no, youre not going to get it...because you dont deserve it.

Originally Posted by Jimmors

I pulled it from NFL.com, so take it up with them.

And no...what a team/player has done in previous season has no RELEVANCE on a new season. Jay Cutler lead the league in interceptions last year, theres a trend for you, so if i put relevance in trends, then i could assume he would lead it this year as well, but hes not. Even if the packers are leading the league again in penalties, my orignal point still stands...WHO CARES? Some trends continue, some dont, and some new trends occur.

Thats my point about relevance. If, at the end of the year, the Packers lead the league in penalties again..then wow, hey, thats 2 years in a row...i guess you must be right, let me bow down to the importance of your trend. And if they dont...then whats the procedure? Thats why it doesnt matter.

you ONLY pulled the "O" penalties( which says 26 and made the idiotic assumption that equals 8 for the year before the 18 in our game) NOT the "D" or ST penalties or i really hope you not saying the "D" and ST didn't have a penalty.. or that the 18 on monday included "D" and ST.. So NFL.COm has it right, you just screwed up the reserch, but can't seem to admit it..lol

that's pretty funny you can't even see that!

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Because you avoided the point i was making. So im not going to humor you with an answer while you completely ignore everything else i write. im not going to feed your selective reading problem. And yes, i do have an answer for your question, and no, youre not going to get it...because you dont deserve it.

LOl as said you don't answer because it proves your point was asinine.. I didn't avoid your point, i actually answered it and showed WHY it was dumb an d why you do this 'selective reading problem ..: )