Thread: BEARS/GIANTS Game review and Grades..

Originally Posted by dabears54

Are you saying we need a Gm that would let's say draft a LT in the first round, and some lineman later to see if can find 'lighning in a bottle", while also addressing other needs their team has( and w/o top picks because addressed the Qb need with them) and then bring in let's say 2-3 F/A Lineman including 1 that is headed for the HOF and anotehr on the first day of free agency to help with this problem?..

and if did let's say the above, that would be a GM seeing we have a hole in the o-line? we don't know if the players will work or not( no one ever does), but would that be showing the Gm does recognize a problem?

going in circles. We already address this. The one headed to HOF is over the hill and has no more Pro Bowls in him. The other "linemen" he brought in were sub-par. The giving up two draft picks and a QB for one QB, dumb. He probably could have either gave just the draft picks for Cutler or one draft pick plus Orton. JA not only sucks at seeing offensive talent, he can't wheel and deal a trade. Another example TJ to the Jets.

Again bring in a over the hill lineman is not a fix it is a band aid. I for one was never HOO RA for that move. I saw it as it was a band aid not a fix. I am sure JA could have done something to wheel and deal better. If "Mcdummy" liked Orton so much more, then we could have offered less. That is if what you are saying is true. But I see you are avoiding the TJ trade. Just admit it JA is good at finding defensive players but can't find good offensive players, in which you say o-lineman are easy to find. If so then why has our line been a problem for so many seasons? For as many o-linemen he has brought in and he can't find five to even be decent for more then one season. That alone should tell you he is not preforming his duties to the fullest. To me that says he stinks at finding lineman, not to mention other offensive players. The offensive players he has drafted where are they now. WR cut or average players. Hester was drafted as a CB and started as a KR/PR. RB Forte starting but not doing so hot, Wolfe third string and has speacial teams duty, Taylor not been used to his fullest potential, Cedric Benson Bengals. TE Olsen glorified WR. Where is a much needed fullback? He got Cutler good for him. but because of his lack of foresight or care, he is going to get this guy seriously hurt.

Originally Posted by dabears54

avoided that because T,J not bears requested the trade and a 2nd about all we were getting for RB thatw as in his last year of our deal.. that was NOT a bad deal at all..so not sure why you would bring that up?

and making up stuff like "well if he liked orton more, we could ahve offered less" jsut silly.

and once again with hindsight all 32 Gm's is real easy to criticize.. i can do it for any team just like you jsut did for bears,, don't see the use on it though..

You said "McDummy liked Orton better than Campbell" If it is true than it can be said that McDummy would have taken Orton and less picks over someone he didn't want.

TJ was push out by glory boy AKA Benson. Even if TJ wanted the trade, don't give up a draft pick to get rid of him. That is dumb.

I will give a perfect example of what a GM should do. Houston Texans, Carr was getting sacked behind a known sub-par o-line. Then the Texans go out and get Schaub and put some o-linemen in there and guess what Schaub is not only doing well he is not getting sacked every other play. Or maybe you noticed that when Orton was on the Bears he wasn't doing all that good, because if he was why would we trade him for another QB? Cutler was doing fine with the Broncos but for some reason comes to the Bears and people are saying he is not looking too good. I wonder why....... Maybe because the other teams FIXED the problem instead of getting band aids. I am not saying JA doesn't see the problem, he is just not fixing it. That makes him a bad GM and reason to get a new one.

Now the source I know beg to differ on TJ. Benson played a big role in that trade as well. It is known that Benson is a cancer and it took him getting kick off the team to change his tune.

So the Texans magically got a better o-line? Never said they drafted an o-line. I said they fixed the problem. You want to compare all other GM's to ours and I am giving you examples and trying to make it clear between fixing a problem and just applying a band aid. San Fran is not doing well at fixing their problem but they are trying. Houston fixed their problem. I am not saying they are now flawless, but they are showing improvment. Our o-line on the other hand has been on a downward spiral for years.

So the bottom line is JA is a joke just like Ron Turner and JA needs to go the way of Ron Turner.

your source is wrong on tj... but this is just going inc circles.. you have already decided you hate JA and to quote 'he's a joke", so nothing anyone posts will change that..

though in one last attempt read the link:

Jones requested a trade earlier this offseason.,,Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said. "Thomas talked to me on several occasions prior to this season. I visited with him recently about his situation and in the end it was the right thing to do."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2788962

and do find it funny the texans NEVER making the playoffs, and going 7-9 or 8-8 shows they are improving and good... but the bears going 7-9 or 9-7 is a disaster and everyone needs to be fired for it..