Reports indicate Cutler coming back from his 5th concussion

**codykoch** · 10-14-2010, 10:12 AM

Doesn't depend on the individual. Depends greatly on the severity of the concussion & that detail would not be listed on any injury report. Do smokers have a greater chance of developing lung cancer? Does Muhammed Ali have Parkinson's? Ask a lot of old pro boxer's about the shakes, epilepsy, frequent headaches and severe memory loss. When your 60 years old and deteriorating & can't enjoy your golden years you will think "Why did I do that?" People are worried because the cummulative effect of many concussions WILL cause Jay to Retire (Troy Aikman). Forget how old he is - all it takes is 1 he can't get up from and before you know it he will never be medically cleared to play again. So much for our franchise Quarterback and the rest of his life. 1 more concussion this year & there will be a firestorm for Cutler to sit the rest of the season out. We will be Done for. He's a person too you know?

**The Benjamin** · 10-14-2010, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Play football is bad for just 'bout everything....(just saying)

True, but you can heal broken bones, but not a broken brain

**dabears54** · 10-14-2010, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Ok, that makes sense…which makes me wonder how bad some of these concussions where and if there aren’t more QBs in the NFL running around with multiply concussions…plus, I understand there are no “good” concussions, but I got think there are different levels of severity…seems like in the NFL at least, they have gone from “no big deal, rub a little dirt on it” to “OMG, it’s the worst possible injury ever!” Like most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle…

Agreed wolfman!.. its the new "chicken little" syndrome for some to get worked up about and worry way to much about... the brain hasn't changed over the last 20 years, but players like waddle, aikman,steve young who had multiple, multiple concussions in ONE GAME, and probably 20+ each in their careers, have been fine and performed great,and now not shwing any long term problems and commentators now- despite the Concussions.. others like a Hillenmeyer, have lingering symptoms and dizziness and may never be the same. Each player/individual different and as you said the 'severity" of each Concussion is different as is the recovery. Which is why IMO seeing because in the news now, these over-reactions.

think its a great Step to have the "baseline" objective tests and Screen's done before the year, and use THAT to detirmine if any lingering effects, than just the much more subjective "who ya feeling?" that has been in sports for 50 years,but it still doesn't mean that player "A" can't have 2-3 in a year and be fine, and another just get one and be done. Alot depends as you said on severity and even "how".. alot of the Damage is caused by the rebounds, not initial "squishing" of the brain tissue against the cranium wall- So a direct hit and blackout many times while 'think" worse, is better long term, than a Hit where stay concious, but head is bounced off the turf, which causes the brain stem to twist and brain so get multiple "squishing" back and forth-hockey has done from fascinating work on this FWIW

**Wolfman** · 10-14-2010, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

True, but you can heal broken bones, but not a broken brain

I hear what you're saying, but I am not sure its that easy...lots of old disabled football players, and even more who live with consent and server pain...maybe things are changing, and maybe things should change...but football is a brutal game and whether its your knees or your brain, its gonna take its toll...

**The Benjamin** · 10-14-2010, 10:23 AM

No doubt wolf, none at all.

**grabowski85** · 10-14-2010, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I hear what you're saying, but I am not sure its that easy...lots of old disabled football players, and even more who live with consent and server pain...maybe things are changing, and maybe things should change...but football is a brutal game and whether its your knees or your brain, its gonna take its toll...

I agree however you really can't compare the good ol days of the game relative to the size and speed of today's game ya know. I'm not sayin' Butkus didn't hit the shit out of guys but hell watchin' the way a few of these guys can lay the wood is impressive and I'm pretty sure harmful to one's health. That's why we watch it boys!!!

**Nick** · 10-14-2010, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by dabears54

Maybe it's news because it is his fifth concussion, which is a massive amount.

So 4 is "no problem" over 7 year period( i mean, I never heard you or anyone talk Concussions with jay before)? and the 5th one in year 7 makes it "massive", and a big problem?

Do you have any data to back up this scale and why the 5th one makes it "massive" from not even talking about it a month ago?. Why Is this 5th one so special?, can you please explain- because I'd like to learn more about how this 5th concussion transforms an athlete.. thanks!

Cutler had a baseline done before the year began with no problems, why is it a "massive amount" now, and if it is, how did he pass the medical tests this week? Could it just 'possibly" be not "massive" and something just to monitor but not an issue?

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He did have three or four major concussions that landed him in the hospital," said Dr. Ann McKee, associate professor of Neurology and Pathology at the Boston University School of Medicine. "It is interesting to speculate that they may have contributed to his ALS."
"I wish we could look at Lou Gehrig's brain and spinal cord. I wish we could look at other athletes who've died and had ALS in the past. There's a lot we need to know."
--Ann McKee, Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy at the Boston University School of Medicine

McKee, along with colleagues at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy at the Boston University School of Medicine, discovered an abnormal protein in the brain and spinal cord of two former professional football players -- both diagnosed with ALS before they died -- and a former boxer. All of them had a history of repeated head trauma.
"When we looked at these three individuals, they had this hideous abnormal protein called TDP-43," said McKee, director of Neuropathology at the Bedford VA Medical Center. "Large amounts in the spinal cord and brain."
TDP-43 is associated with a handful of motor neuron diseases, including ALS. It is found in the nucleus of cells in the nervous system. McKee said that among the brains she examined, TDP-43 had leaked out of the nucleus, infiltrating the brain and spinal cord.
It is an intriguing possibility and at the same time a huge leap at this early scientific juncture to suggest causality -- that somehow a concussion could cause a degenerative motor neuron disease. Still, study authors were intrigued by the possibility of a common thread between the three athletes' brains, motor neuron disease symptoms they exhibited before dying, and Gehrig's own motor neuron disease.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/08/17...ons/index.html

I dunno DB. I think since we're talking about the brain and not his pinky, it's safe to assume that 5 is massive.

**Wolfman** · 10-14-2010, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Nick

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I dunno DB. I think since we're talking about the brain and not his pinky, it's safe to assume that 5 is massive.

IDK, is that pinky on his throwing hand?

**The Benjamin** · 10-14-2010, 10:47 AM

Okay, before I waste my time looking up studies,and can actually type in long and full thoughts (now that I am on a computer). Here is my stance DB.

Having multiple concussions is not good. Having two is worse than having one. Having three is worse than having two and so on. Do you agree or disagree?

**dabears54** · 10-14-2010, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Okay, before I waste my time looking up studies,and can actually type in long and full thoughts (now that I am on a computer). Here is my stance DB.

Having multiple concussions is not good. Having two is worse than having one. Having three is worse than having two and so on. Do you agree or disagree?

Depends on the Severity and individual.

Some do NOT have worse symptons or effects with 3 over 2 or 4 over 3.. others having just one have bad long term effects, there is NO data or "one size fits all" conclusions in this field...and that having 5 over 4 or 3 over 2 is much worse for the patient. 'some" are worse, and others are not. depends on the patients baseline

there are NO conclusions yet benj- and the best out there at boston university that is doing the studies for both the NHl and NFL admit this..

Athletes who are enrolled in the registry take a medical history every year, perform cognitive tests and answer an array of questions, such as if they've been dealing with bouts of depression. It's a way to establish a medical baseline, helping researchers watch for signs of CTE, which can eventually lead to dementia.

"We have no idea how much head trauma is necessary to produce (CTE)," said Dr. Robert Cantu, a clinical professor of neurosurgery and co-founder of the institute. "We just know those who play sports and who have higher amounts of head trauma have a higher incident of it. ... This is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of studying this problem."

http://www.abc26.com/sports/sns-ap-u...tory?track=rss

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