Can we get a refund?

**nerrad** · 10-24-2010, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Don't kid yourself nerrad, if we had orton back, you know exactly what will happen...sacks, 3 and outs from nobody being open, incompletes as he throws down field since he doesnt have a gun.

his deep accuracy is faaaaar above what it was here. maybe because they have real coaches though.

he has a strong arm, its been proven a lot. but my thing is, could have drafted 2 1st round linemen with those picks and built a line for orton. id rather have that than a talented qb getting his career shortened and ruined behind lazy fat guys

**Jimmors** · 10-24-2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Jimmor's he actually is looking really good w/the down the field passes, but w/this OL he wouldn't even attempt them b/c he would know he has 3 sec's to throw(even when he had 5). But it would be sack's 3 and out's, throwing the ball away, and still losing.

I havent seen any denver games, but when people were arguing with mikey they made the point that many of his long yardage plays were YAC.

In any case...they have a better line and had/(have?) better WRs. And i would trust Orton under Martz, i dont think Orton's skills are suited for Martz.

**Riczaj01** · 10-24-2010, 04:23 PM

oh I agree Jimmors, Orton is not as good as Cutler, but you don't get 7-8+ ypa from just yac; he's throwing a decent deep ball. But he also has a decent Ol that he knows gives him time; and wr's he trusts to get the ball when he tosses it up. That is the real difference right now. Cutler doesn't know when he has time or not, he's just used to getting hit in 3 sec or less, and he doesn't trust his wr's; and you are seeing the results.

**nerrad** · 10-24-2010, 04:27 PM

and hes doing it with brandon lloyd and jabar gaffney. not exactly great wr's. and the running game is ehhh mediocre

**Jimmors** · 10-24-2010, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

oh I agree Jimmors, Orton is not as good as Cutler, but you don't get 7-8+ ypa from just yac; he's throwing a decent deep ball. But he also has a decent Ol that he knows gives him time; and wr's he trusts to get the ball when he tosses it up. That is the real difference right now. Cutler doesn't know when he has time or not, he's just used to getting hit in 3 sec or less, and he doesn't trust his wr's; and you are seeing the results.

I agree. Nerrad still has wet dreams about neckbeard, so its understandable why he is drooling to get him back. Unfortunately, he doesnt realize that orton will be damn mediocre on this team....just like before. Orton will have no supporting cast to help him out...only hinder him.

**Riczaj01** · 10-24-2010, 04:30 PM

KO is a 2nd tier starter in this league, unfortunately I don't think Cutler is a massive improvement when you include the 2 firsts and a 3rd. Although I think Cutler definately has the potential; but much like Rex, potential doesn't mean anything if you don't live up to it.

**nerrad** · 10-24-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

I agree. Nerrad still has wet dreams about neckbeard, so its understandable why he is drooling to get him back. Unfortunately, he doesnt realize that orton will be damn mediocre on this team....just like before. Orton will have no supporting cast to help him out...only hinder him.

your missing what im saying, use those picks we traded to get a line, or attempt to get a line. hes playing great in denver with average wrs.

**Jimmors** · 10-24-2010, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by nerrad

your missing what im saying, use those picks we traded to get a line, or attempt to get a line. hes playing great in denver with average wrs.

I care what youre saying why? Its a damn fantasy...an impossible one at that. Yeah, Denver is really going to give us back Orton AND our 2 first round picks. Wake up.