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    Interesting CUTLER piece.......

    Just who really got duped in this trade????........




    A team in need of a statistical stimulus plan
    Cold, Hard Football Facts for April 3, 2009



    Denver has been one of the league’s marquee franchises since the arrival of John Elway more than quarter century ago.

    But the Broncos sit here in the 2009 off-season surrounded by so much chaos that we swear we saw their fans smashing windows yesterday outside the G-20 summit in London.

    Mike Shanahan was dumped as head coach at the end of last year’s disappointing 8-8 campaign, following 14 successful seasons during which he guided the organization to its only two Super Bowl titles.

    Quarterback Jay Cutler, meanwhile, the face of the franchise and the team’s No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft, was shipped to Chicago yesterday after a highly publicized pissing match with Shanahan’s replacement, former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels – the baby-faced 32-year-old head coach (33 on April 22) charged with rebuilding the Broncos brand. Denver landed Bears signal-caller Kyle Orton and a stunning two first-round draft picks.

    The Broncos who run onto the field in September will look and feel a whole lot different than the Broncos who sheepishly walked off the field back in December.

    And that’s a very good thing for the Denver faithful as they look toward their own New World Order.

    In fact, the 2008 Broncos were in desperate need of an auto-industry-style makeover and were an organization scarred by acts of statistical dysfunction so profound that only the Cold, Hard Football Facts have the insight you need to put it all into perspective.

    Denver’s Shocking Statistical Soulmate
    To comprehend the chaos in Denver here in the 2009 off-season, you need to wrap your fragile little mind around two sets of data about two very different teams.

    Don’t worry, this will be fun … and incredibly enlightening.

    Consider Team A. It averaged:

    • 411.2 yards per game
    • 295.7 passing yards per game
    • 115.6 rushing yards per game
    • An inspiring 6.22 yards per offensive play over the course of an entire season.

    Now Consider Team B. It averaged:

    • 395.8 yards per game
    • 279.4 passing yards per game
    • 116.4 rushing yards per game
    • An inspiring 6.21 yards per offensive play over the course of an entire season.

    Given the highly comparable offensive numbers – a slight but hardly significant edge to Team A in most categories – you’d assume that Team A was slightly more productive on offense than Team B, but not by much. After all, each snap by each team yielded nearly the same exact gain of 6.2 yards.

    We’d make that same assumption, too.

    But both of us would be wrong.

    Team A is the 16-0 Patriots of 2007 – who scored an NFL-record 589 points (36.8 PPG), the second-highest per-game average in the entire history of the league (1950 Rams, 38.8 PPG).

    Team B is the 8-8 Broncos of 2008 – who scored a paltry 370 points (23.1), barely ranking in the top half of the league last year (16th).

    That’s right: the 2008 Broncos moved the ball up and down the field nearly as well as the offense many consider the greatest in the history of the game. On a per-play basis, the 2007 Patriots and 2008 Broncos were statistical equals.

    But when it came to the two results that actually mattered – turning those yards into points and victories – the two teams could not have been more different. The 2007 Patriots boasted twice as many victories and outscored the 2008 Broncos by better than two touchdowns per game.

    The 2008 Broncos, in other words, were an extraordinarily inefficient offense.

    Right or wrong, quarterbacks always shoulder an undue amount of praise and blame for their team’s fortunes. So, naturally, the blame for Denver’s dysfunction fell on the shoulders of the quarterback – or at least it did in the eyes of the only person that matters: new head coach Josh McDaniels, a guy who had a front-row seat to New England's version of 6.2 yards per play as the team’s offensive coordinator.

    A Very Bad Trend
    Cutler was seen by most pigskin “pundits” as one of the bright young stars of the NFL – a player who seemed to prove his place in the NFL when he passed for a tremendous 4,526 yards last year.

    It was easily the most prolific passing season in franchise history. Consider that John Elway himself surpassed the 4,000-yard mark just once – and just barely – with 4,030 yards in 1993.

    So many observers were confused when McDaniels walked in and immediately made noise about acquiring another quarterback, touching off the flame war that ended in Cutler’s trade to Chicago on Thursday.

    But McDaniels apparently knew what the Cold, Hard Football Facts have long told you: yards, and passing yards in particular, have virtually no correlation to success in the NFL.

    Let us say that again to be very clear: Yards, and passing yards in particular, have virtually no correlation to success in the NFL.

    And few teams in history epitomized the vast emptiness of yards as an indicator of success better than the Broncos under Cutler.

    In fact, his ascent to the role of starting QB was marked by rapid descent in Denver’s offensive efficiency and, therefore, in Denver’s success as a team.

    • The 2008 Broncos needed to produce a daunting 17.12 yards of offense for every point it scored in 2008 – 28th in the NFL as measured by the Cold, Hard Football Facts Scoreability Index, our measure of offensive efficiency. They went 8-8.
    • The 2007 Broncos were even worse: they needed to produce 17.32 yards of offense for every point it scored – 25th in the NFL as measured by our Scoreability Index. They went 7-9.

    To find the last time that Broncos boasted an efficient offense – an offense that effectively squeezed points out of its yards – you have to go back to the 2005 Broncos under Jake Plummer.

    The 2005 Broncos ranked 9th on our Scoreability Index, scoring a point for every 14.6 yards of offense. Not so coincidentally, the 2005 Broncos went 13-3 and were one game away from reaching the Super Bowl.

    But for some reason that seems inexplicable in retrospect, the offensive efficiency and the 13-3 season weren't good enough for Denver fans or for the organization. In fact, Plummer, the quarterback behind that fairly efficient 2005 Broncos offense, was pigskin persona-non-grata in Denver. From fans to management, it seems nobody liked Plummer.

    So, in the wake of their 13-3 season, the Broncos devoted their top pick in the 2006 draft to Jay Cutler, the proverbial quarterback of the future.

    He threw pretty passes and put up big individual numbers. His 87.1 career passer rating, for example, easily exceed's Elway's 79.9 career passer rating.

    But the Broncos under Cutler could not put the ball in the end zone. Denver clearly had serious defensive issues that made it harder for the offense to score points (last year's Broncos ranked 30th, surrendering 28.0 PPG). But it doesn't change the fact that, in two seasons with Cutler the clear-cut No. 1 quarterback, Denver's offensive efficiency crashed faster and more sharply than the Icelandic stock market.

    The Cold, Hard Football Facts saw the problems with Denver through our Scoreability Index, even as most of the pigskin “pundits” gawked at Cutler's gaudy yardage total.

    McDaniels apparently saw the same problems we did, too. After all, he learned what 6.2 yards per play looked like when he guided the Patriots to a record 589 points in 2007. And he must have been shocked when he watched film of Cutler and the Denver offense and its version of 6.2 yards per play last season.

    He apparently knew big changes were in order. Cutler took the bait, making it clear he was not happy in Denver.

    So McDaniels and the Broncos flipped an pouting, inefficient quarterback for Kyle Orton, who’s won 21 of his 32 NFL starts with the Bears, and a stunning two first-round draft picks.

    It's a great deal for a team that desperately needed a statistical stimulus plan.

    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...ulus_plan.html



    hmmmmmmmmm..........

    "But the Broncos under Cutler could not put the ball in the end zone."

    "But it doesn't change the fact that, in two seasons with Cutler the clear-cut No. 1 quarterback, Denver's offensive efficiency crashed faster and more sharply than the Icelandic stock market."

    "McDaniels apparently saw the same problems we did, too. After all, he learned what 6.2 yards per play looked like when he guided the Patriots to a record 589 points in 2007. And he must have been shocked when he watched film of Cutler and the Denver offense and its version of 6.2 yards per play last season.
    He apparently knew big changes were in order. Cutler took the bait, making it clear he was not happy in Denver.

    So McDaniels and the Broncos flipped a pouting, inefficient quarterback for Kyle Orton, who’s won 21 of his 32 NFL starts with the Bears, and a stunning two first-round draft picks."


    Just who really got duped in this trade????........


    Again......Nice Going Jerry! ......


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    That was great insight; and thinking about it, I feel duped. Take a look at this season, how many teams are we seeing put up insane numbers on offense? Specifically passing yards, and they're not coming out with wins! Saints and Broncos w/ Orton to name a couple of teams. That article is making me rethink everything.

    One of the worst aspects of this years (and last years) Bears team is the inability to convert TDs in the red zone. We turn the ball over way too much and that's a recipe for losses. We're gonna get our fill of it this year too, so eat it up friend. You think we're through turning it over in the red zone? Nope.

    Shit.

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    IMHO, you need to be able to run the ball effectively to score TD's in the red zone. I'm not saying it's how you score, but the pure passing teams get into trouble because of the short field. Without the threat of a run, the defense is easier.

    Since we haven't had an effective goal line running game for at least 4 years, I think this contributes heavily to our red zone problems. I mean, didn't you kind of cringe when they called Bennett down at the 1 instead of calling it a TD yesterday? Never mind the fact that we got ripped off on the QB sneak, I'm just saying with this current team, I don't have a good feeling when were inside the 5.

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    So, the Broncos are 2-5 this year, we are 4-3 this year. they have all the picks and a "winning" QB and we got Cutler. And you are saying we got duped? Cutler threw 27 TD's last year. How many did Orton throw?

    I am sorry I read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnastorer View Post
    So, the Broncos are 2-5 this year, we are 4-3 this year. they have all the picks and a "winning" QB and we got Cutler. And you are saying we got duped? Cutler threw 27 TD's last year. How many did Orton throw?

    I am sorry I read this.
    I thought Mikey got banned.

    Seriously though, Mikey posted this article over a year ago....


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    Quote Originally Posted by jnastorer View Post
    So, the Broncos are 2-5 this year, we are 4-3 this year. they have all the picks and a "winning" QB and we got Cutler. And you are saying we got duped? Cutler threw 27 TD's last year. How many did Orton throw?

    I am sorry I read this.
    Orton's not a great quarterback, but he also doesn't let himself get into as much trouble. Cutler is gamble: big risks = big returns. Cutler threw an insane amount of picks last year, and if this o-line stays the way it is, his interception totals will go up.

    I said I was feeling duped since I can't really think we would be much more worse off with Orton under center. And now we are minus two first round picks as well. I need to see Cutler play for another year or so to see if I was right about being duped. I'm still on the fence with that trade. For the record, I've been defending Cutler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnastorer View Post
    So, the Broncos are 2-5 this year, we are 4-3 this year.
    We are a VERY "LUCKY" 4-3.

    It should be 2-5 also.

    I'll give them the Cowboys (and perhaps Packers) game.....that was pretty awesome. But, that was it.


    The rest were against teams that beat themselves.

    And before you get all mighty on Cutler....you may want to reread the article.
    He wasn't exactly STELLAR in Denver either.


    Pro-Bowl Quarterback?........Talk about "OVER RATED".........


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    Cutler aint gonna make chicken salad outta chicken shit. sorry, but there's plenty of blame to go around for what this season is turning into..it aint all him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarzan-54 View Post
    We are a VERY "LUCKY" 4-3.

    It should be 2-5 also.

    I'll give them the Cowboys (and perhaps Packers) game.....that was pretty awesome. But, that was it.




    The rest were against teams that beat themselves.

    And before you get all mighty on Cutler....you may want to reread the article.
    He wasn't exactly STELLAR in Denver either.


    Pro-Bowl Quarterback?........Talk about "OVER RATED".........


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    carolina beat themselves? how? Detroit was held to like 200 yards of offense???? and before you go blaming all this on cutler, you may want to remember our offense before we got him. Were the Bears throwin it around and putting up 30 points a game? we're better with Cutler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BearStuff View Post
    I thought Mikey got banned.

    Seriously though, Mikey posted this article over a year ago....
    I don't know who "Mikey" is, but the date it was written....is exactly why I posted it. That's why I highlighted the date in RED.

    Things, obviously, weren't much better last April 3rd, 2009 ~ for Cutler.

    He's still making the same old stupid mistakes. Granted....not ALL his fault. But those that are ~ are ridiculous. He just doesn't LEARN.

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