Everyone on TV is acting like that call on Suh was such a big deal

**JustWinBaby** · 12-05-2010, 10:59 PM

lol ..... heck they were on the 12 yard line and it was going to be 3rd and 1. It's not like that penalty reversed a 4th down or anything .... TV just likes talking it up as if that somehow changed the game, it was half the distance to the goal because they were already on the 12 and then threw a TD pass.

If anything changed the game it was the lions getting that break before halftime when everyone thought Best was down and he ran 50 yards, then instead of running out the clock they threw a TD pass. That actually changed the game.

**4th and 26** · 12-05-2010, 11:03 PM

Just be glad Joe Buck and Troy Aikmen was not calling the game.

**GregorioDimitri** · 12-05-2010, 11:36 PM

How about the lucky break the Lions got on that Fumble they clearly lost. BTW, if Cutler was Manning or Brady all it would've taken is for Suh's pinky to brush his helmet and that flag is thrown and probably warrants a suspension of Suh and a fine.

**go4bears** · 12-06-2010, 01:10 AM

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201012...e=HP_headlines

Trying to discredit the bears yet again. Why? Is it because the bears haven't won a SB in 25 years? Maybe it is because our o-line is sub par. The news media doesn't like the color of our uniforms. Should have picked red white and blue like the Pats or just blue and white. I know, we don't have any legacy players like the Mannings. This garbage, may not have been a preaty win but it is a win none the less. Not to mention the Lions have been giving everyone a hard time. Oh well maybe it will get the Bears back on track and pump them up to beat the Pats.

**4th and 26** · 12-06-2010, 05:33 AM

I think the officials made the right call on the play but after watching it in slow motion from multiple angles I can see where it was two hands that pushed Jay down but from the back side it looked like a forearm to the back of the head. The lions coach should be more pissed at his players for all the stupid penalties they did take prior to the one on Suh. The lions had chances to win the game and they fell short at the end of the game. Their second play on 4th down I felt was a bad call.

**Riczaj01** · 12-06-2010, 06:50 AM

There was a very similar play in the Pitt Balt game, and it was a no call on Heath; it was a direct shot to the head; it doesn't matter if it's a forearm, a hand, a sholder pad or a helmet; you put your hands on a defenseless players helmet and it's a foul. The head official, much like in our game, stated it should have been a foul; it was the right call.

**Riczaj01** · 12-06-2010, 07:16 AM

An article on saying the play was no big deal, from espn:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...forearm-shiver

Suh and the price of a forearm shiver

December, 5, 2010 Dec 5
5:35
PM ET

By Kevin Seifert

DETROIT -- Honestly, I don't get what all the fuss is about on the latest Detroit Lions penalty controversy.

On the play, referee Ed Hochuli whistled Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh for unnecessary roughness after an 8-yard run in the fourth quarter by Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler. The Bears were already in excellent shape and would have faced a second-and-2 at the Lions' 14-yard line.

I'll grant you this much: The penalty gave the Bears a first-and-goal at the Lions' 7, and they scored the winning touchdown on the next play of their 24-20 victory. Whether the Bears would have scored anyway is moot.

Watching the play live, you saw Suh throw his right forearm at Cutler from behind, after which Cutler immediately fell to the ground. Replays indicated Suh hit Cutler in the back and might have grazed his helmet. But Hochuli said in a postgame interview that he felt it was "an unnecessary non-football act -- a blow to the back of the runner's helmet in the process of him going down."

You could argue against Hochuli's interpretation or debate whether Suh actually came into contact with Cutler's helmet. Regardless, it was an entirely preventable penalty that rests on Suh's shoulders.

Look, I've celebrated Suh's nastiness as much as anyone. But simply using proper tackling technique in this instance would have eliminated the issue.

If you're chasing a quarterback from behind, wrap him up with your arms and drive him to the turf. Punch at the ball while you're doing so if you want to try to force a fumble. But when you throw a forearm shiver, especially at a quarterback, you're inviting activist referees like Hochuli to make judgment calls against you.

That was clearly on Hochuli's mind Sunday.

"When you tackle people," he said, "you come in and you wrap up and come with our arms and things like that. I felt he delivered a blow to the back [of the] runner ..."

Of the play, Suh said: "I was just going out there to make a play, get the ball out. We were in a tight situation in the red zone. We have to stop them some way from getting a touchdown. Obviously, he broke a tackle. I had a great angle to make a play and get the ball out, and that's what I went after."

Bottom line: There are other ways to accomplish the same goal.

**Riczaj01** · 12-06-2010, 07:22 AM

Even Det press is saying it's no big deal:

http://www.freep.com/article/20101206/COL01/12060420

Thanks for being reasonable Mitch...

**jnastorer** · 12-06-2010, 09:56 AM

If he had any view of the replay, he would recant the stuff about trying to get the ball out and say he clearly was not. I don't begrudge him anything, nor do I believe he should be fined for the hit. But to say he was trying to get the ball makes him look football stupid. Clearly he was not, clearly he was delivering a mesage, even more than trying to stop Jay, because with Jay's athleticism, had he seen Suh, he might have avoided that stupid tackle and gotten the first.

Suh would have whiffed, and that is what Schwartz ought to be upset and yelling about. Suh made a stupid Tommie-esque play.

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