It must be Armageddon!
Originally Posted by Jimmors
The problem Benjamin is that Angleo got fooled last year when the bears OL did show up week 15 and actually looked good. This was enough proof for Jerry to focus on the defense more but for shits and giggles he signed a blocking TE. The sacks are up but the INTs are down.
Originally Posted by The Benjamin
I think there are a lot of factors, including Martz play calling. But you do have to admit that Jay DID have all the time in the world on several occasions. I don't know much about O-Line fundamentals, but I'm learning a lot. It does facinate me now that I know how much is actually involved. How much is on Kreutz for calling assignments? How much is just on sucky play? I saw many times that players missed assignments... is that on Kreutz?
Needless to say (including all factors) the line play was much better after week five, than it was before. Some of that has to do with adding more runs, some to do with shorter drops and quick passes, and some to do with overall better o-line play. In week five we were on pace to set some kind of sac record against our offense. Adjustments made us fix that all the way up to finishing last in the league (without us being an abysmal last place).
Obviosly that will play into our offseason priorities. I hope that Tice, and Marz has some kind of say in a draft order. I think Williams goes back to LT next year. What's Garza's contract look like, and is he too old now to count on for another season? Is Kreutz gone? TE probably won't get addressed this year, unless we happen to pick up a power forward that just happens to work out... What's the draft look like for oline? Do we start that many rookies? Will Webb pan out?
Damn, a lot of questions, and I'm rambling as I think through all the strategic moves, but I enjoy it. I'd love to get Butka's input, or who's the other O-line specialist? Windy?
its more than your hands and toes actually..esp on the counters and sweeps.. if being realistic and not just looking to find the most negative thought
Originally Posted by Jimmors
Tice says line didn't play poorly against Packers
Offensive line coach defends unit and absolves it, mostly, from blame
What at first looked like the kind of snarled effort from the line that crippled the Bears offense earlier in the year may not have been nearly as bad you think.
The Bears capped a season in which they led the NFL with 56 sacks allowed by surrendering six in the 10-3 loss to the Packers at Lambeau Field. It raised questions about a young offense entering the postseason because quarterback Jay Cutler was rocky and a repeat effort in the divisional round of the playoffs could ensure a quick exit.
But after the players reviewed game film Wednesday morning with coach Mike Tice, they didn't' think it was as bad as it looked.
First, the Bears rushed for 110 yards on 20 carries, creating questions why offensive coordinator Mike Martz went pass happy. Second, all six sacks can't be pinned on the line.
Cutler held the ball for six seconds on one and tight end Brandon Manumaleuna missed a block on one by Charles Woodson. Tackles Frank Omiyale and J'Marcus Webb were late out of their stances for a sack each, something that can be attributed to the crowd noise that was a significant factor. Webb gave up another when he was asked to solo block Clay Matthews on a third-and-18 play, a call the coaches surely wish they had back.
"There were 65 plays … and I told the guys I thought we had eight bad plays," Tice said. "What I was happy about, and maybe it didn't appear that way to the naked eye, we didn't get hit by any schemes."
What hampered the Bears was the fact they used the same hot reads they had in the Week 3 meeting with the Packers. Their defense was onto them. That may prove to be a smart move from Martz if the teams meet for a third time for the NFC championship. But it didn't help in this game.
Tice gave high praise to running back Matt Forte for his work in pass protection and said it might have been the best game of the season for Webb.
"I had all five guys grade out winning for five weeks in a row," Tice said. "So I am continuing to build on what they've been able to do and that's get better every week.
"(Center Olin Kreutz) called a great game. He was turning protection into the fire zones. He called his best game of the year because they brought some (stuff). They were bringing cross dogs, adding a safety, cross dogs bringing (Woodson). He kept turning protection into the blitzes. He was good."
The question now is whether a unit that has been so maligned at times can be better in the playoffs when the intensity goes up.
"We can definitely all get better," left tackle Frank Omiyale said. "(But) we definitely feel like we're playing at a level where we can succeed."
Webb knows he will be targeted in the playoffs as a rookie, but "I take that into account every week," he said.
"I've grown up a little bit since we played Green Bay the first time," Webb said. "I feel like I have gotten better and I've had to step up these last few weeks so that I won't hurt the team."
The bottom line is the kind of errors made at Green Bay can't be excused away the next time out.
"You can't make those mistakes," Tice said. "Those are the kinds that get you beat in playoff football. We feel like we can get better. We can clean that up."
Horn got practice squad raise to stay with Bears
January 5, 2011 6:40 PM | 1 Comment
By Brad Biggs
While the Bears were unable to convince wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias to stick around last week when the Minnesota Vikings came calling, they did have success keeping offensive lineman Levi Horn.
The Miami Dolphins tried to sign Horn off the Bears' practice squad and to their 53-man roster before Week 16, meaning he would have received two game checks had he gone, according to multiple NFL sources. Iglesias chose to sign with the Vikings, turning down an offer from the Bears to stay.
Horn declined the Dolphins' offer, however, and the Bears in turn gave him a substantial raise over the minimum for practice squad players of $88,400. In staying, Horn left money on the table.
"Levi could have made more money going to the Dolphins," said his agent Cameron Foster. "But he sees a future for himself with the Bears and that's where he wanted to stay."
Foster declined to reveal specifics on the raise for his client. Horn is an undrafted free agent from Montana. The Bears liked him entering the draft, sending line coach Mike Tice to put him through a private workout. It is expected the Bears will sign Horn to a futures contract when the season ends.
The Dolphins signed offensive tackle James Marten, who spent most of the last two seasons with the Bears, to a futures contract.
I didn't know that giving up six sacks wasn't playing poorly.
The wonders of low expectations!!!!!!
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if the 6 sacks were the cause not of the o-line but let' say a Qb holding the ball too long a TE missing his block or a RB missing their's Yes it is entirely possible for a team to give up 6 or mroe sacks but not have the oline playing poorly. Not saying this was the case last sunday- just saying "possible".. 2 of the sacks were IMo on cutler for holding the ball too long, 1 on knox/DA for not getting off line and having no receivers to pass 2 and 1 on manu for whiffing.. so if have 2 on the oline.. that's isn't horrible would be the point- esp when had close to 50 drop backs
Originally Posted by The Benjamin
The "most negative" thought happens to be the one that happens over and over and over, week after week after week. After awhile, it gets annoying to watch. As a team that "gets off the bus running" it gets damn frustrating watching them get tackled IN THE BACKFIELD as they get the ball. At that point, has absolutely zero to do with the RB, and EVERYTHING to do with OL. If it happened once or twice, sure, we can chalk it up to a blown block up front, or getting outplayed...but unfortunately, it has become a common occurrence with this team.
Originally Posted by dabears54
Point is...the Running game has very little to do with anything near an "improved OL," and everything to do with Forte and even to some degree Martz and his play calling.