Thread: Believe it. Bears might have four Hall of Fam

Originally Posted by dabears54

Took mitchell 13+ seasons to set the record. That is being a 'good"player for a very long time..

Sort of like a .270 baseball player that never is a top player, but hits 25 homers a yr but does it for 20 years saying "well he got 500, HR's so deserves the HOF".. being just good for a long period IMO doesn't make a HOF.. or if you ask "who were the best at that time or position" and players "A" doesn't even come up.. he isn't a HOF

That hester broke the record in almost 1/3 the time.. be like a Baseball hitter going .340 with 80-90 Hr's a year, despite getting 150 intentional walks...to break the HR in 1/3 the time.. hester when asked who's the best return man, his name always comes up.

Agree About the ST bias, but hopefully by the time he retires, many of the old farts that have a bias aaginst ST of the writers are retired- and the younger writers that have seen how remarkable hester has been and how teams kicked away and he still set the record get him in.

Sorta like Bonds eh?

.328 BA 73 HRs 177 Walks

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Sorta like Bonds eh?

.328 BA 73 HRs 177 Walks

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yep and "if" bonds had those #'s with0ut his head looking like a watermelon and being a 'roid machine, not a person was saying he wasn't a sure fire HOF

Before his steroid educed career, he was a hall of famer already. His numbers were outstanding before he ballooned up.

Originally Posted by Dagan81

One thing's for sure now, Benji. He is perceived as a liar and a cheater, just like Pete Rose, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, and Rafael Palmeiro. Those players, as great as they were despite their steroid use, will probably never see the light of day in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Bonds Charged for using steroids, Definite proof
Big Mac charged, proof and has admitted
Palmeiro denied but failed the drug test

Sosa highly suspected and fairly obvious, continuous denial, never caught. I don't think he should be classified with the other three as he has never been connected with steroids except for being suspected and questioned. Did he? I fully believe he did, but there is no connection.

Pete Rose does not belong in this conversation at all. Massive D-Bag, but he never cheated the game. He never used steroids. He belongs in the HOF because he did what he did on pure talent and is one of the greatest hitters the game ever saw.

Sosa used roids, whether he was "caught" is immaterial. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds...none of them deserve it.

As far as Rose goes...he broke the rules, plain and simple. You dont reward someone for breaking rules, even if they had a great career before that.

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Sosa used roids, whether he was "caught" is immaterial. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds...none of them deserve it.

As far as Rose goes...he broke the rules, plain and simple. You dont reward someone for breaking rules, even if they had a great career before that.

So many of those guys went from hitting 30 HRs a year, to 50+ a year. Others like Sosa were even more obvious, nothing like averaging 15 HRs a season and then suddenly you average 45 to 60 a season. There is a reason why very few hit 60 HRs for 70 years, then suddenly it became common. Notice too how fast Sosa disappeared once everyone got busted on this? He was in the minors then out of baseball, you don't go from hitting 50 HRs a season to being in the minors overnight like that.

Isn't it strange how with all the roid stuff occurring today, that the one thing that has never been passed is the top end speed of sprinters? In the 80's guys like Gault, D. Green, Ron Brown, were all 4.1 type guys, and even today there isn't guys that fast. You see lineman, LBs, etc. all faster, but the top end sprinter speed has never really been passed.