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    Believe it. Bears might have four Hall of Fam

    Believe it. Bears might have four Hall of Famers in lineup

    RICK TELANDER rtelander@suntimes.com .hideTime { DISPLAY: none}Jan 7, 2011 02:34AM

    This is the bye week, the week to speculate, so here goes:

    The Bears might have four Hall of Fame players on the field when they play their NFC divisional playoff game at home on Jan. 16.

    Crazy?

    No.

    Brian Urlacher, Julius Peppers, Devin Hester and Lance Briggs were recently voted to the 2010 Pro Bowl, and all four are working steadily toward the exalted status that comes from being enshrined in Canton, Ohio.

    Yes, each has flaws, question marks, uncertainties, future concerns, crazy competition.
    But then, other than Jim Brown, Marion Motley, Johnny Unitas, Alan Page, Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor and a handful of others, who didn’t?

    Even in Bears history, the qualifications are daunting. You want to join George Halas, Red Grange, Gale Sayers, Dick Butkus, Walter Payton, Mike Ditka and pals, you better bring some credentials.

    First, Urlacher.

    Comparisons are deceiving
    The middle linebacker has been considered overrated by some, but then, overrated compared to what?

    It may be the tall, athletic Urlacher’s misfortune to play in the same era as the Ravens’ squat, bulldozer-of-a-middle linebacker Ray Lewis. But Lewis is close to being the best football player of all time, and his style of mayhem only proves that there are at least two ways to play the head assassin on defense.

    Indeed, Lewis plays like Butkus did. Urlacher plays like Jack Ham, like Jack Lambert, like former Bears star Mike Singletary, even — all of them Hall of Famers.

    Once a safety, Urlacher plays like a lean-muscled deer, one with the neck of an elk, defending the pass and running to the sidelines as well as any middle linebacker ever.
    He had three down years, the worst being 2009 when he missed almost the entire season because of an injured wrist. But at 32, he is back with a vengeance, leading the 2010 NFC North champion Bears with 141 tackles. He is the all-time tackles leader in Bears history. That makes him worthy right there.

    A former Defensive Rookie of the Year and two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year, Urlacher will be playing in his seventh Pro Bowl, something only five Bears have done before — and all five are in the Hall of Fame.

    Another year or two and the bullet-headed one is a lock.

    Players respect Briggs

    Outside linebacker Briggs is not only steady and ferocious, he has gotten his fellow NFL members’ attention. Starting in his third season, the 6-1, 242-pound Briggs has been selected to the Pro Bowl six straight years.

    He’s still young, having turned 30 this season, and he and Urlacher have fed off one another the way two great entertainers do: by knowing each other’s habits, strengths and weakness so well that the pair is greater than the individual parts.

    If Briggs plays at this level for four or five more years, he should make it to Canton.
    Defensive end Peppers might not seem like a real Bear yet — he came to town as a free agent for about $90 million last spring — but he could leave his mark in Chicago like few defensive linemen ever.

    He has been averaging slightly more than eight sacks per season since he joined the NFL in 2002, and this year he had those eight sacks plus two interceptions and three forced fumbles.

    When the 6-7, 285-pound Peppers ran down Eagles sprinter-quarterback Michael Vick this season, it halfway blew people’s minds.

    ‘‘He’s as fast as our safeties,’’ coach Lovie Smith said.
    This is the 30-year-old Peppers’ sixth Pro Bowl, and he shows no signs of mellowing out. It should tell us something when we consider Peppers is the team’s first defensive end chosen to play in Hawaii since Richard Dent was picked 17 years ago. (By the way, that Dent isn’t in the Hall of Fame is a travesty.)

    Never anyone better than Hester

    Last, we have wide receiver/kick returner/human blur Devin Hester.

    Just 28, the 6-foot, 190-pound Hester has an unparalleled knack of making breaks with the football, shifting and then hitting something like sixth gear while other speedsters are left in the exhaust.

    Simply as an oh-my-God game changer, there has never been anyone better than Hester. Like Barry Bonds, he makes opponents rethink logic. At his muscled-up peak, Bonds was walked no matter how many outs there were.

    To kick to Hester or not is every coach’s nightmare. Three weeks ago he set an NFL record by returning a Vikings punt 64 yards for a touchdown, the 14th kick return for a TD in his career.

    Hester’s receiving yardage is just gravy on the potatoes. If he runs back three or four more balls for touchdowns, or simply puts his return yardage way out there, he’s a first-ballot guarantee.

    If there’s fairness in the world.
    And two of those fairness questions always are: how many Super Bowls did you play in? How many did you win?

    The Bears have a chance at their second Super Bowl in four years, and if they were to get to Dallas, or even — easy now — win the crown there, four of their players might be posing for bronze busts some day.

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    for comparision of the best MLB of last decade:

    last decade:

    urlacher- 1,190 tackles , 41.5 sacks, 18 INt's, 72 Passes defended, 9 FF

    lewis- 1,327 tackles, 23 sacks, 23 INt's, 73 passes defended, 14 FF

    urlacher won Rookie of year and NFL "D" player of year, 7 probowls

    lewis won "D' player of year, 9 probowls

    While Lewis gets alot more publicity because of the Screaming and dancing ,while urlacher just goes back to the huddle, there stats are very similar with the difference alot to do with the scheme's with the 3-4 MLb getting more tackles( lewis) and the 4-3 mlb more sacks and less tackles( urlacher) as the WIL Lb in 4-3 gets more tackles typically( see derrick brooks). What's interesting is despite how close in stats, most think lewis is a Sure first ballot HOF, and some don't think the same for urlacher.

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    I'm sure the people in charge will make the right decision on Urlacher; Briggs would be a tougher sell, Hester will go in(unlike many other special teamers, everybody seems to love him) and Peppers will go in as a Panther, unless he wins the big one with us.


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    Urlacher is absolutely a HOFer IMHO...I just hope he gets a ring (this year, hopefully) which I think would solidify him as a lock for Canton. His body of work is already HOF worthy right now IMO, it's just that the ring would seal the deal so to speak and make it virtually undebatable.

    If Hester can continue to play at or near the level he has for a few more years, he'd get my (imaginary) vote too. As far as I'm concerned, he's the greatest return man to ever play the game and his impact in that phase is unlike anything I've ever seen. I wouldn't put him in the HOF right now, but give him a few more years.

    I'm on the fence about Peppers. He's definitely a HOF "talent" but his motor and desire have been way too inconsistent throughout his career. He's a freak talent that can be absolutely unstoppable when he wants to be, but there were too many stretches during his tenure in Carolina where he was just disinterested and unmotivated. If he had the heart and drive of Reggie White or Deacon Jones, he'd be a lock, but IMO he's not a HOFer. It's definitely up for debate though.

    I love Briggs, but he's not a HOFer IMO either. He's solid as a rock, even spectacular at times...a model of consistency. But at this point in his career, I don't consider him an all-time great...which is what a HOFer is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Burris View Post
    I'm sure the people in charge will make the right decision on Urlacher; Briggs would be a tougher sell, Hester will go in(unlike many other special teamers, everybody seems to love him) and Peppers will go in as a Panther, unless he wins the big one with us.
    The football hall of fame henry , unlike baseball doesnt put teams on the bust or go in as team,but as a player- so its a little different. While the HOF counts players who played most of a career in one place, for that team( ie allan paige a vike HOF, despite also playing for bears), they do make some exceptions if contributed significanly for 2 teams to count that Player for both franchises, Reggie white being a great example of counting BOTh for Eagles an packers( players in BOLD count totwards a teams total). So IMO if Peppers like white gets a NFLDPOY and/or a Sb with Bears he will be counted for both teams

    http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.aspx

    (bears 26 HOF's despite 29 playing for them)

    And briggs a much more interesting case, and IMO unfort he will fall just short.while Do not agree with it at all, but the HOF has a real bias against OLb's if do not have sacks totals. They Significantly weigh the sack total alot more than the ability to play the position, play the run and tackle. Great examples of this are derrick thomas and andre tippett in the HOF, and Linebackers that IMo are as good or better, but didin't have the sack totals in leroy jordan, cornelius bennett, randy gradishar, sam mills and chris hanburger etc not even given a sniff of the hall of fame, despite having as many credentals as either of those 2.. and so based on this Bias for the above Linebackers, lance is going to have a real hard road making it when the others haven't yet either
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    One thing that would really look good on all their resumes is a superbowl ring. Might as well get that checkmark out of the way all together at once :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustWinBaby View Post
    One thing that would really look good on all their resumes is a superbowl ring. Might as well get that checkmark out of the way all together at once :)
    LOL works for me justwin!...going back to dallas in feb and winning again can live with : )

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    Problem with Hester is Brian Mitchell never got in based on his return prowess. But Mitchell is on DC radio a lot here and he even said Hester should be in the hall (he thinks he should be in there too).

    Urlacher should be a lock, he's been the face of one of the most popular franchises for a decade now as well as living up to all the hype and his draft position.

    Peppers and Briggs I would be on the fence with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear Goggles View Post
    Problem with Hester is Brian Mitchell never got in based on his return prowess. But Mitchell is on DC radio a lot here and he even said Hester should be in the hall (he thinks he should be in there too).

    Urlacher should be a lock, he's been the face of one of the most popular franchises for a decade now as well as living up to all the hype and his draft position.

    Peppers and Briggs I would be on the fence with.
    Took mitchell 13+ seasons to set the record. That is being a 'good"player for a very long time..

    Sort of like a .270 baseball player that never is a top player, but hits 25 homers a yr but does it for 20 years saying "well he got 500, HR's so deserves the HOF".. being just good for a long period IMO doesn't make a HOF.. or if you ask "who were the best at that time or position" and players "A" doesn't even come up.. he isn't a HOF

    That hester broke the record in almost 1/3 the time.. be like a Baseball hitter going .340 with 80-90 Hr's a year, despite getting 150 intentional walks...to break the HR in 1/3 the time.. hester when asked who's the best return man, his name always comes up.

    Agree About the ST bias, but hopefully by the time he retires, many of the old farts that have a bias aaginst ST of the writers are retired- and the younger writers that have seen how remarkable hester has been and how teams kicked away and he still set the record get him in.

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    Another note on Peppers, Dent first..


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