Thread: Hire the "name" head coach or hungy Coordinat

I would be surprised if Dom Capers doesn't get some head coaching offers, just because he has head coaching experience and did a good job in GB. Coaches always get 2nd chances and are often better the 2nd time around (like Belichek).

Originally Posted by JustWinBaby

I would be surprised if Dom Capers doesn't get some head coaching offers, just because he has head coaching experience and did a good job in GB. Coaches always get 2nd chances and are often better the 2nd time around (like Belichek).

Yeah but like a Dick leabeau mybe being a Coordinator is just what he is best suited- its like Martz amd marinelli - i think neither isn't HC material, but as a Coordinator good. They need to be reigned in at times, and too detail oriented for Head coach, but great for OC/DC

Just find it interesting how so many jump immediately to the "names'( ie a cohwer or gruden), and as that article shows, its actually the worst choice. Think times have changed and owners are also realizing this

Originally Posted by dabears54

Yeah but like a Dick leabeau mybe being a Coordinator is just what he is best suited- its like Martz amd marinelli - i think neither isn't HC material, but as a Coordinator good. They need to be reigned in at times, and too detail oriented for Head coach, but great for OC/DC

Just find it interesting how so many jump immediately to the "names'( ie a cohwer or gruden), and as that article shows, its actually the worst choice. Think times have changed and owners are also realizing this

I'd much rather just have someone that is great at drafting. Great players make coaches look great. Just look at the Steelers WR drafting over the last few years compared to someone else like the Jaguars who have also drafted lots of WRs. The Steelers drafted S. Holmes, Wallace, and Sanders. All big contributors even though Holmes had off field issues. The Jaguars drafted Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, and RJ Sauer, all WRs in the first round and all huge busts. If the Steelers made those same WR picks, it wouldn't matter who is coaching. It's also one of the reasons the Pats are so good every year, they don't miss on OL picks, don't miss on defensive picks, etc. It's why they can let great players like Samuel and Seymour go, and still be really good. Drafting right is everything.

Originally Posted by JustWinBaby

I'd much rather just have someone that is great at drafting. Great players make coaches look great. Just look at the Steelers WR drafting over the last few years compared to someone else like the Jaguars who have also drafted lots of WRs. The Steelers drafted S. Holmes, Wallace, and Sanders. All big contributors even though Holmes had off field issues. The Jaguars drafted Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, and RJ Sauer, all WRs in the first round and all huge busts. If the Steelers made those same WR picks, it wouldn't matter who is coaching. It's also one of the reasons the Pats are so good every year, they don't miss on OL picks, don't miss on defensive picks, etc. It's why they can let great players like Samuel and Seymour go, and still be really good. Drafting right is everything.

drafting is the Scouting Dep't and GM not coaches IMO.. Esp now if the NFL any Coach trying to also make himself the Gm and scout in huge trouble and just doesn't end well- think need a GM and HC on same Page and same philosphies so drafting for the needs/fit scheme of team, but def think need 2 completely different people doing it

I would say it depends on how much power you give that "name" head coach. I like my head coach to be well a damn head coach. Let the gm and scouts do their job and sure you want the head coach opinion on targeted players. But at the end of the day I hate having the HC/GM combo that you usually get with the name brand

Originally Posted by motownbear

I would say it depends on how much power you give that "name" head coach. I like my head coach to be well a damn head coach. Let the gm and scouts do their job and sure you want the head coach opinion on targeted players. But at the end of the day I hate having the HC/GM combo that you usually get with the name brand

Agreed andmaybe that is "part" of why name coaches always fail.. but its remarkable that name coaches have the LOWEST winning % AND NEVER won a SB on their 2nd teams.. and even have "failed" coaches like a bellichek or dungy do it on the 2nd teams.. Got to be something to it, and IMo think some go go 'soft" or can't relate( gibbs) when come back

Originally Posted by Dagan81

The most successful coach in the history of coaches going to a second and, in his case, third and fourth teams, was Bill Parcells. He won two Super Bowls with the Giants, then went to New England and took them to the Super Bowl. Later, he goes back to New York to coach the Jets and takes them to the AFC Championship Game, and lastly, he coaches the Dallas Cowboys to a playoff appearance. There is potential for success there, DB54, but it's few and far between.

Also of note, there was Don Shula, who coached the Colts to Super Bowl III, and later took the Dolphins to five Super Bowls (VI, VII, VIII, XVII, IXX).

again parcells NEVER WON ANOTHER SB,, and ironically with each successive team got WORSE results.. from sb loss to not even conf championship to just a first round playoff loss.. proving again not the best hire