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Dagan81 
If we make it to the Super Bowl, are you going to act like you're in agreement with Trent Dilfer and Mark Schlereth? If we make it to the Super Bowl, we will have earned every victory it will have taken on the way to the big game. I'm tired of all the excuses from people on this board as well as the mass media who say that everything we as a team have accomplished this year came strictly out of luck. What are people going to say if and when we slide in through the backdoor into the Super Bowl early next month? If we beat the Seahawks, people are going to say that it was the luck of the draw, and if we beat the Packers or the Falcons, they'll just say that they had off weeks. It's sickening, and I can't wait to go out and prove all the naysayers and anti-Bears pundits wrong.
How many teams with a losing record have made it to the second round of the playoffs? Do you think the seahawks deserve to be in the playoffs because they won 7 games while losing 9 and teams with a losing record miss the playoffs because they don't play in a cream puff division. We are lucky for the schedule we have, We are lucky we don't have a lot of injuries that other teams have. We are lucky that we face a team with a losing record. We play the games we get and I don't have a problem if we win or lose them but I wont act as if we creamed the elite teams while earning a the second seed in the NFC. I don't think the Falcons are that great of a team and I think the Packers will kick their ass. I could be wrong but I think Atlanta is overrated. I think the Jets are overrated along with the steelers. They all have great records yet some of their wins were squeaked out over the bottom feeders. I think the Patriots are the best team in the league and I think they will cream any team they play but they could have that one bad game that eliminates them from the playoffs. The Patriots, Falcons and steelers are not playing a team this week with a losing record. Tell me that is not luck.
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The only reason we have given up 50-something sacks this season is because we didn't play with a balanced offensive attack for eight of our games this season (Weeks 1-7; Week 17). In the time that lapsed between Week 9 and Week 16, we only gave up 18 sacks I think, which is a far cry better than what we were giving up before. I don't doubt that Martz had something to do with this drastic change because of his playcalling, but we do need to give Tice credit where credit is due.
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4th and 26 The NFC is a toss up this year, teams like the vikings, cowboys and giants stunk it up. The saints struggled and both Brees and Eli Manning had bad years throwing the ball to the other team. We also played a bunch of teams that had a lot of injuries. If I told you we were going to play the vikings and they were going to start Joe Webb would you even give the vikings a chance on winning that game? How about Jimmy Clausin with the panthers who also have Steve Smith not playing that year along with losing their best DE? How about playing the dolphins who have a third string qb playing because the starter and back up got knocked out in the previous game? We won a game against the panthers while starting Todd Collins at QB who made Rex Grossmans monday night game against the cardinals look good. We also played the lions who started both a 2nd and 3rd string qb against us. This OL is bad no matter how people look at it. Tice did do some good things and where were a few bright moments the OL looked good but there are far darker moments where we got dominated and Jay took a beating or we got stuffed on the goal line.
I agree, and have said as much. I'm not trying to say our OL is great by any means because it's definitely not. But to Tice's credit, he moved it around until he got the best combination of guys out there and in the right position to maximize their effenciency. The group as a unit is better collectively than they are individually...that's what being a position coach is all about.
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Originally Posted by
KML While I agree that you don't have to be dominant in every phase of the game to be a championship caliber team, poor line play (on either side of the ball) is not something a championship level team can get away with. You can only hide it for so long before it's exposed. The game of football is, and always has been, won on the line of scrimmage.
And to clarify, I'm not trying to say that the OL is the reason we're in the playoffs, you're misunderstanding me. My point was that you said our OL was the worst in the league...I just simply pointed out that we're in the playoffs with that line and Tice is the coach of that line. I think that should say something about the job he's done if we have "the worst line in the league" yet we've got a shot at a championship.
I understand what you are saying but I still think this OL is the worst in the league but we have other areas that can carry this team. If we had a good OL I believe Forte could be somewhere around 1500 yards for the season. I believe Jay would have a much higher TD total and a lower INT total. We had a stretch where we could not convert a third down for a couple of games. The OL could not push the DL for a yard or protect Jay long enough for a play to develope. I believe the other phases of the team are more responsible for our record than the offense.
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Originally Posted by
KML I agree, and have said as much. I'm not trying to say our OL is great by any means because it's definitely not. But to Tice's credit, he moved it around until he got the best combination of guys out there and in the right position to maximize their effenciency. The group as a unit is better collectively than they are individually...that's what being a position coach is all about.
I don't think Webb should be out there because he is still way too raw yet we don't have anybody better than him. I think Olin Kreutz blows yet there is nobody better to replace him. I am not sure about Williams yet. Maybe we needs better talent around him for him to shine.
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Originally Posted by
4th and 26 I don't think Webb should be out there because he is still way too raw yet we don't have anybody better than him. I think Olin Kreutz blows yet there is nobody better to replace him. I am not sure about Williams yet. Maybe we needs better talent around him for him to shine.
I think that Olin Kruetz would play better if he had better guards and tackles surrounding him. He's getting overpowered by bull rushes because of this very thing.
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Originally Posted by
4th and 26 I don't think Webb should be out there because he is still way too raw yet we don't have anybody better than him. I think Olin Kreutz blows yet there is nobody better to replace him. I am not sure about Williams yet. Maybe we needs better talent around him for him to shine.
Addressing the OL would be the #1 priority on my "To Do" list this offseason. Angelo will have the opportunity to do that between the draft and the free agents that are available this year. I'd like to see us get younger, more athletic and more physical up front.
Ideally, we'd draft Mike Pouncey in the 1st round because he's a monster on the same level as his brother. He's a natural OG but he played C at UF this year, so that would give us options: he could take over at C for Kreutz right away or he could take over at LG allowing Williams to slide back out to LT to replace Omiyale (if Tice still thinks Williams is the answer at LT). Stefen Wisniewski is another interior option that could play either G or C.
If Pouncey isn't available, hopefully we could land Derek Sherrod out of Mississippi State. He's a big, strong, athletic tackle that I personally like as an option at LT. Then he could replace Omiyale and Williams would likely remain at LG.
Those are the most pressing needs that should be addressed imo. The free agent market will also provide a pool to pull from. Some of the OTs likely to be available include Tyson Clabo, Doug Free, Jared Gaither, Rashad Butler and some of the interior OL include Logan Mankins, Ryan Kalil, Davin Joseph and Carl Nicks.
But we definitely need to address the OL this offseason.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...kings/TSX/2011
I posted the above link in another thread. This gives you an idea of where certain players land in the draft pool in terms of best available.
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Originally Posted by
KML You've got it backwards imo...this line is shit because they suck. But we're where we are IN SPITE of that BECAUSE OF Tice.
I'm not saying our OL is great by any means, but we also are seriously lacking in talent in spots, we have young players in spots, and we're old in spots. Our OL is patchwork and Tice deserves the credit for molding it into a playoff unit. I think you're seriously underestimating the job he's done.
Agreed. if heainstand was still here it would be ALOT worse.. and alot more giant games.. and it HAS improved as the year wenton another sign of good coaching
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Originally Posted by
KML I agree, and have said as much. I'm not trying to say our OL is great by any means because it's definitely not. But to Tice's credit, he moved it around until he got the best combination of guys out there and in the right position to maximize their effenciency. The group as a unit is better collectively than they are individually...that's what being a position coach is all about.
Yep, and we do not always need the 'extreme's" of best or worst.. that se to often.. its OK to admit the line isn't good,but not the worst and that despite not good, its getting the job done AND GIVING KUDOS to the improvement of it.. IE from 3 yards a carry on ground to over 5 to end th season with forte.. to have games where cutler has TIME IN POCKET and like the eagles and jet's game h is 100+ rated and throwing 4 td's in each game.. its OK to give KUDO to the line for those type of performances w/o that meaning its 'great" and admitting still NEEDS ALOT OF WORK.. but is having some success and like you , think alot of tha si due to Mike Tice
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