Thread: Bears 2011 free agent thread...and moves

Originally Posted by dabears54

With a new CBA, we will not need to lose a draft pick for a Guard- will be enough of them available with a new CBA

You can't honestly state that or that it will happen this year. If it doesn't then a trade for Mankins may be one way of assuring ourseleves top notch OG help now, not a year from now. There are no assurances that a new CBA will be done this year and no assurances that they will not decide on the 6 years of accrued service before UFA either. If that's the case there will be few if any decent OG's available.

This is simply about having a contingency plan that may make some sense. I don't think that anyone could successfully argue that Logan Mankins isn't worth a 1st round pick to a team in need of a road ready veteran OG. If he were an UFA there'd be a bidding war for him and he'd be out of reach pricewise but a team who trades for him eliminates that bidding war and gets him at a more reasonable price. JMO.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Here is what I am looking for.

Consistant success.
winning multiple division titles
Actually WINNING a Super Bowl.

Making one is great, but not winning it is not. I determine success by championships

Thanks for the input Benji but it wasn't your sarcastic crap I was calling out, LOL.

Originally Posted by dabears54

exactly soul.. NO ONE is saying Angelo hasn't made mistakes( he has!), but the idea that NOTHING has worked out and been a complete failure for a decade is WRONG.. some moves have worked out very well ( tait, garza), some worked very well for a short time( ruben and miller) and others complete failures( pace, omi,),, that is the nature of free agency unfort, no one despite "thinking" all moves will work actually has it happen. And as said a million times, whether agree or disagree, they went the F/A route and it faild the 2nd time after working the first- they didn't ignore anything, just the method didn't work.. and seems have LEARNED from this and trying to build from within more now, with C williams,webb and carimi( and asiata, louis and E williams in devleopment)... and that is all you can ask.. not to constant;y omplain about past, but to learn from it and move on in a better direction

Well like I said, I'm not a huge JA fan but I will give credit where credit is due. This was posted on the Official Site and I thought it bore some consideration. Reilly takes the approach that two second round picks would have been high firsts in a current draft and two firsts would have gone lower.

He asserts that both Hester (8th overall) and Forte (13th overall) would be taken high in the first round rather than the second round where both were chosen. Conversely he states that Olsen would have gone a bit later (45th overall) as opposed to the 31st spot where he was picked but you can hardly criticize this one as much of a reach since we badly needed a TE.

The real surprise, and support for sox's contention about him, is that CWill would drop from the 14th pick overall back to 181st overall making him a late 6th round pick. That may be a little unfair since an injury and constantly shifting positions have probably impacted his development so far but it's pretty easy to look at him as being worth no more than a late 3rd round pick as sox has said he was valued in his mind.

I think we can all agree that CWill was a huge reach where we took him but if proves to be a competent OG and if Webb becomes a starting OT I'll let JA off the hook for this Oline bozo. The real positive is that two guys who others passes on early, because they weren't prototypical at their college positions, have become backbones in the Bears scoring machine and have the impact of high first round picks even though they were chosen with mid to late second round picks. Another, Olsen, is fair value for where he was picked, even though some feel otherwise, and has also been a consistent TD producer.

All things considered these weren't the choices of a idiot GM who knew nothing about player talent and value. JA has a decided weakness when it comes to his skills in building an Oline but he seems to have realized that and transitioned much of the responsibilty for doing it to Tice. You can't fault him for that either. It's a smart move on his part.

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/New...?story_id=7855

May 17, 2011
Hester, Forte likely would be top picks in "re-draft"


By: Larry Mayer | Last Updated: 5/17/2011 12:45 PM



LAKE FOREST, Ill. – The Bears spent second-round picks on Devin Hester and Matt Forte in 2006 and 2008, respectively. But both players would be chosen a lot higher if those drafts were conducted again today.


Devin Hester and Matt Forte likely would be top picks if their respective drafts were conducted today.
At least that’s the belief of ESPN.com’s Rick Reilly, who projects that Hester would be selected eighth overall in a “re-draft,” a leap of 49 spots from where he actually was picked at No. 57. Reilly thinks that Forte would go 13th, a jump of 31 slots from where he was chosen at No. 44.


Hester owns the all-time NFL record with 14 kick return touchdowns. He set the single-season mark with five as a rookie, and then eclipsed it with six in his second year.
Last season Hester was named All-Pro for the third time after leading the NFL in punt returns with a career-high and Bears record 17.1-yard average and three TDs. He also topped the NFL in kickoff returns with a 35.6-yard average, but his 12 returns were too few to officially qualify.

Forte rushed for more than 1,000 yards for the second time in three NFL seasons in 2010, compiling 1,069 yards and six touchdowns on 237 carries. His average of 4.5 yards per attempt was the best by a Bears running back with at least 200 carries since Neal Anderson averaged 4.7 yards in 1989.

Forte was also a threat as a receiver, tying for the team lead with 51 receptions for 547 yards and three touchdowns. The Tulane product became only the second player in franchise history to compile at least 1,000 yards rushing and 500 yards receiving in a season, joining Hall of Famer Walter Payton.

While Reilly feels that Hester and Forte would be selected higher in a re-draft than they actually were, the ESPN writer thinks that tight end Greg Olsen and offensive lineman Chris Williams would be chosen lower. Reilly projects that Olsen would be selected 45th, a drop of 14 spots from where he was picked in 2007 at No. 31; and Williams would be chosen 181st, a fall of 167 slots from where he was chosen in 2008 at No. 14.

Re-draft=hindsight. Writers must be extremely bored.