Thread: Bears 2011 free agent thread...and moves

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

They were a bust for the position they were drafted to play yes. They were just moved to a position that would better suit their talents

And do you really think C-Will is a solid OG? After only a handful of games?

Jeezus Christ Benji you gotta a really bad case of "pretzel logic" don't you. How many NFL WR's were college QB's and became top level players at that spot. Are you really gonna try and get us to buy into your thinking on this.

Sorry bud but no deal.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

I have been a critic of Chris Williams but I do not believe he is a bust.

Is he very good, NO. Is he playing like a 1st round pick, NO. Was he worth the 14th overall pick, NO. But he is starting in the NFL at a position.

He is not a bust he is a disappointment.

This is a much better description of his NFL career to date. He has been a disappoinment becuase he hasn't captured and locked down that starting LT spot that we was drafted to play. But not all of that was his fault. Let's see where he ends up this year and how he performs before we give him a final grade.

Originally Posted by soulman

Jeezus Christ Benji you gotta a really bad case of "pretzel logic" don't you. How many NFL WR's were college QB's and became top level players at that spot. Are you really gonna try and get us to buy into your thinking on this.

Sorry bud but no deal.

I don't know, you tell me. How many college QBs were drafted as QBs and turned into NFL WRs?

Originally Posted by dabears54

I do not care about where drafted, care about on field performnce is the point- A player is NOT A BUST if performs on the field, even if not at the position he was drafted is the point

Im trying not to laugh, but its damn difficult.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

I don't know, you tell me. How many college QBs were drafted as QBs and turned into NFL WRs?

I don't have the time to research a complete list of all those of the modern era but here's a start for you. These are all guys who are currently active, some very established like Hines Ward and Antwaan Randle-El, and a few not so well established or they might be rookies and/or 2nd year men.

http://profootball.scout.com/2/582822.html

The point is that they've successfully made the transition from college QB to WR, TE, or RB spots in the NFL. By your twisted logic any of these guys would be considered a bust because they aren't playing QB in the pros. Tell me that you'd call a guy like Hines Ward a bust!

Here are three more from before your time (those count too) who immediately come to mind. None of these guys were busts either.

Marlin Briscoe - QB to WR
Tony Duingy - QB to DB
Max McGee - RB to WR

Benji, since I don't have the time to complete this list I'm gonna post a thread asking our compatriots to add to as they remember guys who've been college QB's that have been successful at other positions in the NFL. I'm gonna do it just because of this sarcastic response.

Originally Posted by soulman

I don't have the time to research a complete list of all those of the modern era but here's a start for you. These are all guys who are currently active, some very established like Hines Ward and Antwaan Randle-El, and a few not so well established or they might be rookies and/or 2nd year men.

http://profootball.scout.com/2/582822.html

The point is that they've successfully made the transition from college QB to WR, TE, or RB spots in the NFL. By your twisted logic any of these guys would be considered a bust because they aren't playing QB in the pros. Tell me that you'd call a guy like Hines Ward a bust!

Here are three more from before your time (those count too) who immediately come to mind. None of these guys were busts either.

Marlin Briscoe - QB to WR
Tony Duingy - QB to DB
Max McGee - RB to WR

Benji, since I don't have the time to complete this list I'm gonna post a thread asking our compatriots to add to as they remember guys who've been college QB's that have been successful at other positions in the NFL. I'm gonna do it just because of this sarcastic response.

No, you are misreading and misunderstanding what I said. Allow me to show you what I said again.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Not talking about them being a bust because of where they were drafted, but for what they were drafted to do.

For example, Hester was a bust at CB, but has more than excels at returns

I am NOT saying these players are busts. I said they were busts at the positions they were drafted at, and the teams made better use of them in other areas! Hester as a CB was God-awful. A bust of a defensive player, which he was drafted at and even played at for a game or so. After realizing this they moved him elsewhere where his talents could shine. A place he was not drafted at.

Again, a bust as far as what he was drafted to do, but NOT a bust as a player in the NFL.

Understand what I am saying yet?

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Does that mean that A. J. Hawk is not a bust because he is performing on the field? Or is that different?

So hawk becuase not playing at the Position he was drafted( outside LB) IS A BUST, right? or is that different( now at ILB)? .. hmmmmmm

And Again as said DRAFT POSITION matters, hawk is bust because not a top playmaker and a top 5 pick that is what you expect.. hope that helps

Ok. Let's try this again. See if you can comprehend what I am saying.

He is a bust as an OLB, not as a ILB

Because as you said yourself DB. If a player is performing on the field he is not a bust.