Thread: Julius Peppers fined 10 grand for hit on Aar

Originally Posted by GlobeOfFrogs

For what it's worth Antoine Winfield was fined $7500 for the hit on cutler, despite it CLEARLY not being malicious. Which is why there was no penalty called during the game.

That's part of my point. When the contact is incidental to the hit, as in part of the follow through on a shoulder high tackle, the officials should have some discretion to not penalize the team for the hit. Whether or not the league decides to fine that player after the fact is another thing altogether.

Originally Posted by 4th and 26

Jesus Christ guys, he led with his helmet.

I disagree with you but it's a done deal so screw it and move on!

Originally Posted by soulman

Watch it again Jimmors. He hits him around the shoulders before he contacts the helmet so the first point of contact was not his helmet. In addition his helmet slides past Rodgers head as he follows through with the tackle. The way I'm looking at the replay the hit was not face mask to face mask and was incidental to the actual hit. The bottom line is that if they keep tightening up the rules soon you'll never see a Dlineman with double digit sacks unless the guy is under 6' 2".

Well, when i think of the rule, i think Crown of the helmet to helmet....i dont include the facemask, since that is not what is so dangerous about this hit. So, if you are talking about the WHOLE helmet..then yeah, his facemask hit the shoulders first...but the crown hit the helmet first:

Facemask to shoulder:


Still facemask on Shoulder:


Helmet to helmet that drew flag:


Seems clear cut to me.

Originally Posted by soulman

Watch it again Jimmors. He hits him around the shoulders before he contacts the helmet so the first point of contact was not his helmet. In addition his helmet slides past Rodgers head as he follows through with the tackle. The way I'm looking at the replay the hit was not face mask to face mask and was incidental to the actual hit. The bottom line is that if they keep tightening up the rules soon you'll never see a Dlineman with double digit sacks unless the guy is under 6' 2".

So, you want the refs to stop play and watch a replay before they call that? Because, I can't see how a ref on the feild would see what you see without doing so.
Again, I don't like the rule, but I think the penalty and fine are consistant with what I have seen called in other games.
Plus, he led with his helmet.

Originally Posted by soulman

That's part of my point. When the contact is incidental to the hit, as in part of the follow through on a shoulder high tackle, the officials should have some discretion to not penalize the team for the hit. Whether or not the league decides to fine that player after the fact is another thing altogether.

Winfield would need a stepladder to get a shoulder high tackle on Cutler. It was a clean hit that he got fined for.
It's like Garret Wolf trying to hedbutt Idonije.

[QUOTE=Jimmors;786408]Well, when i think of the rule, i think Crown of the helmet to helmet....i dont include the facemask, since that is not what is so dangerous about this hit. So, if you are talking about the WHOLE helmet..then yeah, his facemask hit the shoulders first...but the crown hit the helmet first:

Facemask to shoulder:


My sole point in all of this is that the helmet hit Rodgers shoulder then Peppers arm or hands and then the side of Rodgers helmet. To me that makes it incidental contact. I'm aware of the rule and why and how they call it but I don't agree with the current interpretation. Like was said before, if Peppers goes for his waist and Rodgers spins away and connects on a long pass or for a td then we'd all be cursing about Peppers not sacking him. To me the rule sets up too many can't win situations for Dlineman.

Still in all, like I said, it's history and I've said my piece. It's nice to have the right to disagree around here.

Originally Posted by soulman

Still in all, like I said, it's history and I've said my piece. It's nice to have the right to disagree around here.

There are times I wonder if everyone understands that everyone has this right.

Originally Posted by soulman

My sole point in all of this is that the helmet hit Rodgers shoulder then Peppers arm or hands and then the side of Rodgers helmet. To me that makes it incidental contact. I'm aware of the rule and why and how they call it but I don't agree with the current interpretation. Like was said before, if Peppers goes for his waist and Rodgers spins away and connects on a long pass or for a td then we'd all be cursing about Peppers not sacking him. To me the rule sets up too many can't win situations for Dlineman.

Still in all, like I said, it's history and I've said my piece. It's nice to have the right to disagree around here.

Well you have to remember WHY the rule is in place...concussions, and helmet to helmet hits are a huge factor in those. I agree with the rule because concussions are a serious matter, and they NEED to crack down on it. We all know Julius is a clean player, and it probably was incidental...but it still happened, so he has to take the penalty and fine for it, thats all there is to it.