It seems like everyone EXCEPT those who actually vote on the HoF want him in...i hope he finally makes it this year....its getting ridiculous.
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All the more reason to keep nominating him forever until he gets in!
Originally Posted by UrlsGrrl54
If youre name is DENT and you dent people that means you should get in no matter what!
Love to see him in a Century 21 yellow suit at Canton this year... ; )
You don't think that they are causing Dent to wait because he's a Bear, do you? I know this is sometimes the case with the Yankees when they are up for awards or for the Hall of Fame. Players often won't get elected simply because the Yankees have the most HOFers, and well, the Bears have more Hall of Famers than any other team in NFL History.
Of course they are. Theres too many Bears, especially from that 85 team, so they are trying to balance it out. If he played for, lets say...the Saints...you could bet he would be in by now.
Originally Posted by Dagan81
I'm going all out for Trent Dilfer to get into the Hall of Fame. They'd elect him, I bet.
Only have 3 bears from 1985.. walter, samurai and hampton
Originally Posted by Jimmors
for reference dallas of the 90's already have (3) aikmen,emmitt,irvan
70's raiders had (7) bilitnokoph,hendricks,brown,casper,upshaw,shell and madden
70's steelers had (9) blount,bradshaw,ham,harris,lambert, stallworth, swann ,websterand noll
80's niners had (6) fred dean, montana,lott,rice,young and lott
80's redskins had (5) monk,green,grimm,riggins and gibbs
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Like that Wilbon starting to write for espn about bears:
All 15 finalists belong in the Hall
How can you leave Shannon Sharpe or Andre Reed or Curtis Martin off your ballot?
DALLAS -- It might not be the greatest class of finalists Pro Football Hall of Fame voters have ever had to consider, but it could be the most difficult to judge. One of the oft-repeated phrases used by selectors to justify turning thumbs down on a candidate has always been, "It's not the Hall of Very Good; it's the Hall of Fame." In other words, only truly great players should be granted entry
Well, here the voters are in 2011, confronted by an entire list of great players. If I was sitting in the room, which I did for 10 years, on Saturday morning, I'd argue that of the 15 modern-era finalists up for selection, all 15 are Hall of Fame-worthy. Yes, each and every one. There's not a slouch in the bunch. There's no filler. They're all headliners, as it turns out. And only five of them can be voted in this year. There are at least that many no-brainers.
No need to pick through the list. All five rookies, the first-year candidates, are unarguably worthy of induction right away. Marshall Faulk might be the best all-around back in the last 25 years and is one of the best two or three ever. Jerome Bettis is the fifth-leading rusher of all time, and not a yard of it, given that he ran between the tackles and through the heaviest traffic, came easy. Curtis Martin, though he didn't win a Super Bowl as Faulk and Bettis did, is the fourth-leading rusher of all time, behind only Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton and Barry Sanders, all in the Hall already. Gary Myers, writing this week in the New York Daily News, commented that Martin simply has to go in this year, his first as finalist. Martin, as Myers knows, is not only the Jets' all-time leading rusher but also the Patriots' fourth all-time leading rusher. Only one other running back, Sanders, rushed for 10,000 yards in his first 10 seasons, as Martin did.
Even so, Martin doesn't have to be voted in this year. I'd argue that among the running backs, he is behind both Faulk and Bettis. And the logjam doesn't just exist at one position. Deion Sanders and Willie Roaf are the other rookies. All Deion did was make All-Pro, first or second team, eight times. He's one of two men to start on both sides of the ball (Roy Green was the other) since Chuck Bednarik. Roaf was a Pro Bowl selection 11 times in 13 years, and even more impressively made the all-decade team in both the 1990s and 2000s.
The HOF rules allow a total of seven men to be selected, but two of those would have to be the senior candidates, in this case former Redskins linebacker Chris Hanburger and former Rams linebacker Les Richter. What we'd absolutely better not hear when the announcement comes Saturday night (7 p.m. ET) is that the selection committee voted in fewer than the maximum number of players. I guess there are years for which you could make a case that fewer than the maximum number allowed should be voted in; this sure as hell isn't one of them. Voting in less than the maximum number, given the across-the-board greatness of the modern era finalists, would suggest pettiness or some other agenda in the room, which far too many people in the football community feel exists already.
Cris Carter should have been selected already. I'm sure somebody in that selection room could tell you why he didn't vote for Carter; but since this is my space, I'll tell you why not voting for him makes no sense whatsoever. There isn't a single receiver in the NFL today I'd take over Carter at 30 years old. OK, maybe Larry Fitzgerald, but he's the only one. Randy Moss? Carter had the best combination of hands, footwork and body control this side of Jerry Rice, which is probably why he was No. 2 behind Rice in receptions and in touchdowns by a receiver. It's insulting that he's been passed over three times so far. If he'd played in New York or New England, he'd be in already.
There's one snub in recent years that makes even less sense than Carter. Even 25 years later, the Chicago Bears' 1985 defense remains the greatest of all NFL time. The history of pro football cannot be written without an extensive chapter on Buddy Ryan's "46" defense. As cerebral as linebacker Mike Singletary was, as versatile as Dan Hampton was, nobody who watched that defense can sanely make the case that Richard Dent's contributions weren't essential.
The Bears' primary goal, which would never be allowed in today's game, was to kill the quarterback. If Ryan was the Bears' Al Capone, Dent was Ryan's Frank Nitti. Dent, who retired third all time in sacks behind only Reggie White and Bruce Smith, was the QB wrecker, the disruptive force quarterbacks quite literally feared. He had a touch of Dick Butkus in him, an appreciation that violence is a pass rusher's best friend, and the ability to make it happen.
Dent was voted Super Bowl XX MVP, but he isn't the only finalist with Super Bowl impact. Andre Reed, eighth in career catches and ninth in yards, was a mainstay in Buffalo's four losing trips to the championship game. Martin played in one as a Patriot. Charles Haley is the only player in NFL history to have played for five Super Bowl winners. And Shannon Sharpe, a man who in his last 11 full seasons never caught fewer than 53 passes, won three Super Bowls, two with John Elway in Denver and one in Baltimore.
The class is so stacked that even the finalist/contributor, NFL Films founder Ed Sabol, is an extraordinary candidate for inclusion. While the NBA, to pick on a rival league, has no video footage of Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game in 1962, precious little video of Willis Reed's famous superhuman effort in the 1970 NBA Finals against the Lakers, and less than you'd think of the early career of somebody as contemporary as Michael Jordan, pro football's last 50 years, by comparison, are as well-chronicled as reality TV because of Sabol's NFL Films.
Even if you believe each and every one of the 15 modern-era candidates belongs in the Hall, the five-player limit (seven including the senior candidates) forces a certain prioritizing. If I was still voting, it wouldn't be as simple as ignoring all the rookie candidates. I'd find it virtually impossible to not vote for Faulk and Sanders. But Dent and Carter shouldn't have to wait another day, with my fifth and final spot going to Tim Brown, Chris Doleman, Reed or Sharpe. The deciding factor, the tiebreaker if you will, might be provided by an especially insightful presentation or the general back-and-forth discussion in the Saturday meeting room that makes a voter consider something he hadn't previously.
Thing is, every one of the 17 finalists ought to wind up in the Hall of Fame, lest he slip between the cracks and one day needs to be rescued by the senior committee, the way Hanburger and Richter need saving now all these decades later. Yet, we know some of them might miss out because new and worthy candidates in the years to come will prevent them from even being finalists next year. This year's first-timer, with what seems like so much support for the future, becomes a finalist for the eighth or ninth time sooner than you think.
The Hall of Fame business is a difficult one, a judgment that does as much to determine a player's legacy as anything he did on the field, particularly as time passes and the specific plays fade. Only five of 15 players, great players, are going to know that thrill of victory Saturday evening, leaving two-thirds of the field, some of them civic heroes and Super Bowl victors, as unhappy as at any time in their storied careers. Saddest of all, nobody's come up with a better ending.
Michael Wilbon is a featured columnist for ESPN.com and ESPNChicago.com.
Last edited by dabears54; 02-05-2011 at 05:38 AM.
And Pomei is the chicago writer that today argues for dent at the hall- here's his reason's:
case for Richard Dent
The defensive end is one of several strong candidates for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Dan Pompei
Voting for the Hall of Fame is Saturday, and I’m excited to hear the presentations and debates about the 17 finalists. It’s a very strong group, so it almost certainly should lead to a sterling group of Hall of Famers.
Probably the two most interesting positions are wide receiver and defensive end. There is a logjam of three at both positions. At wide receiver, it’s Tim Brown, Cris Carter and Andre Reed. At defensive end, it’s Richard Dent, Chris Doleman and Charles Haley.
It’s possible all six men will be in the Hall of Fame one day soon, but it can’t happen this year. When you have a number of strong candidates at one position, what tends to happen is they cancel each other out. I’d like to see at least one receiver and one defensive end get in this year.
I will be introducing the discussion for Dent. I think it’s a very strong case. He has been a finalist now for seven years — longer than any other finalists. And he has made it to the top 10 five times. I don’t understand why he hasn’t gotten in up to now.
Let me tell you why Dent’s case is such a good one.
His production compares favorably with any defensive end.
In 150 starts, Dent averaged 0.92 sacks per start. Only one defensive end in the modern era had a higher rate -- Fred Dean with 1.14 sacks per start. Dent's ratio was higher than top contemporary sack men Reggie White (0.87), Bruce Smith (0.75) and Michael Strahan (0.69).
Even though he played 15 years and had some less productive seasons towards the end, Dent also averaged 0.67 sacks per game, which is fifth highest among defensive ends with at least 100 sacks behind White (0.85), Smith (0.716), John Abraham (0.711) and Simeon Rice (0.70)
Dent had eight double digit sack seasons. The only defensive ends with more are Smith and White.
Dent didn’t play in as many Pro Bowls as some players, so the perception might exist that he wasn’t as necessary to his team’s success as others. But the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest that does not always reflect reality. Dent was critical to the Bears. Consider this: in games in which Dent recorded a sack for the Bears, the team won 72 percent of the time. When he did not have a sack, they won only 39 percent of the time.
Dan Hampton may have been the heart of the Bears’ great defense, but Hampton’s won-loss record without Dent was 28-33 — a winning percentage of .459. With him, it was 75-21 — a winning percentage of .781.
Hampton and Mike Singletary already are in the Hall of Fame, and both players might have overshadowed Dent in some people’s eyes. But Dent made more plays than either of them. Dent was the playmaker on the great Bears defenses. Dent had 33 forced fumbles to Singletary's 14. He had eight interceptions to Singletary's seven, 58 passes defensed to Singletary's 51.
Phil Simms, who competed against Dent many times, put it this way. “I always define people you play against or a player’s greatness when you know the first thing you must do when you play him is, ‘OK, what are we going to do about this guy?’ And that’s what we always said about Richard Dent. He was the first headache that we always dealt with. Dent was No. 1. It was always about him.”
He also stepped up in big games. He was only one of two defensive linemen in the 42 year history of the game to be named Super Bowl MVP. In 10 postseason games, Dent had 10.5 sacks and four fumble recoveries. By comparison, Bruce Smith had 14 postseason sacks, but he played in twice as many playoff games as Dent.
I’ve heard it said that many of Dent’s sacks were the result of Buddy Ryan’s scheming, but the truth is 72 percent of his career sacks came when he was playing for a coordinator other than Buddy Ryan. This is what Ryan told me when I talked with him recently. “I used him in coverage a lot, and most defensive ends just rush the passer. But he paid the price so we could run the defense we wanted to run. He could have had a lot more sacks if I hadn’t had him in coverage. He would have had twice as many in a normal defense.”
And one more thing about Dent. He wasn’t just a pass rusher. He was a great run defender. Over the 10 prime years of Dent's career, the Bears allowed an average of 98.3 rushing yards per game — lowest in the NFL. They led the league in run defense four times and were second once.
Sounds like a Hall of Famer to me.
Dan Pompei covers pro football for the Chicago Tribune at chicagotribune.com.
3 hrs until we find out!! C'mon DENT!!
and hopefully they will make the clev/bears annual preseaosn game the HOF game so can get 2 'fer in and see the induction AND bears game same weekend!
God we needed him playing a few weeks ago, esp. if he did this number