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    Best Bears pass rushers: Dent is not at the t

    Best Bears pass rushers: Dent is not at the top
    By John Mullin
    CSNChicago.com

    With the selection of Richard Dent in the Hall of Fame Class of 2011, the NFL electors acknowledged the accomplishments of the most destructive force on the greatest single defense in NFL history. Dan Hampton and Mike Singletary preceded Dent into the Hall but no one preceded Dent into backfields.

    But was Dent the best pass rusher in franchise history?

    CSNChicago.com combed fact books, available video and other sources to arrive at the top three pass rushers in the history of the NFL’s charter franchise. The first two were easy. After that….

    The guidelines are for pure pass rusher, not simply the best defensive linemen, although in the cases of Nos. 1-2, they also were the two best ever at the defensive end position. The evaluations also factored in the level of pass rush achieved by players also tasked with playing the run first. Many pass rushers were loosed on quarterbacks without regard for wholistic defense. Bears rushmen were not.

    1. Doug Atkins

    “Big Man” was nearly as notable in Bears lore for his antics and tweakings of Papa Bear as for that he did on the field.

    But Atkins, like Dent, was the epitome of a player capable of being a dominant player in any era. Atkins was 6-8 and played between 260-280 pounds, with enough athleticism (he went to Tennessee on a basketball scholarship) to have literally hurdled a crouching New York Giants left tackle Roosevelt Brown, also in the Hall of Fame, on the way to sacking Y.A. Tittle.

    Atkins was the Julius Peppers of his era; Peppers (6-7, 283) was good enough to be a reserve on the North Carolina basketball team.

    NFL Network ranked Atkins No. 9 on its list of All-Time Pass Rushers (although the second half of the list approaches laughable for including Michael Strahan and Mark Gastineau and not Dent). He is No. 1 on CSNChicago.com’s list of All-Time Bears Pass Rushers.

    2. Richard Dent

    The Colonel’s sack total (137.5) was only a portion of his greatness, which was not to be measured in Pro Bowls (four). He was a superb all-around force on the edge of a defense that was among the best ever against the run as well as obliterating quarterbacks.

    Dent was a student of his craft as well as his opponents and mastered techniques that combined with a freakish speed in a pass rusher who was a mismatch against all but a few left tackles of his era.

    3. (Tie) Steve McMichael, Julius Peppers

    McMichael was the Bears’ equivalent of John Randle, the undersized Minnesota Vikings’ Hall of Fame defensive tackle, with McMichael amassing 92.5 career sacks despite playing much of his career in a two-gap scheme. He put up nine seasons of seven or more sacks and set the standard for interior pass rushers in Chicago. He is what the Bears can only wish Tommie Harris had become.

    Peppers has had just one Chicago season, making his inclusion a recognition of both what he has been and what he is – the focal point of opposing blocking schemes. As with Atkins and Dent, if the tackle assigned to Peppers is left on his own, Peppers is virtually unblockable.

    First alternate: Rosevelt Colvin

    “Trip” was a fourth-round selection in the 1999 draft out of Purdue and for the period of a couple years was unquestionably the leading edge force in Chicago. He collected 10-1/2 sacks in both 2001 and 2002, making him the first Bear since Dent to post double-digit sacks in consecutive seasons. ]

    What made Colvin’s production particularly remarkable was that he was a strong-side linebacker in the Bears’ two-gap 4-3 scheme under Greg Blache and Dick Jauron and was not an every-down pass rusher.

    Colvin left via free agency for New England in 2003 but the body of work in his early years earned him inclusion on the Bears’ All-Decade Team along with Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher.

    Bears footnote: Colvin beat out Urlacher for the starting strong-side linebacker spot in 2000 after coaches had given 54 the job on draft day.

    Honorable mention (Nos. 5-10)

    Dan Hampton, Mike Hartenstine, Alex Brown, Ed Sprinkle, Brian Urlacher, Doug Buffone.


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    Our pass rushers must suck historically if after only one season Peppers is tied for third best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Benjamin View Post
    Our pass rushers must suck historically if after only one season Peppers is tied for third best.
    Or peppers is really good, take your choice.

    Just for some food for thought- let's put peppers on the Division foe's all time DE's.. on greenbay you have reggie white and well, reggie white.. on detriot you have well uh umm, well.. and on vikes have Some good ones in Carl eller and now Jared allen, but peppers would prob be 3rd there before marshall. And probably can do for most teams and find peppers would be 3rd or better on MOST teams all time DE's.. FWIW just checked the HOF list, and was suprised to find in the NFL history only 13 DE's have made the Hall:( guess its a position just coming into its own)

    http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.aspx
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    All I am saying is one season should not have you on an all time list with a franchise with as much history as the Bears

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Benjamin View Post
    All I am saying is one season should not have you on an all time list with a franchise with as much history as the Bears
    While agree at "first blush" it would seem that way, but when look at it more- DE really wasn't a position until late 50's, so you have to eliminate that pre- modern history and as said before the 80's, while had some great one's it was still more a DT and LB league.. for the All time great players and "D"'s designed that way. The DE as a focal point of D's more a modern thing and as such not a suprising as you would think on first blush- as said I was suprised also, that only 13 DE's are in the hall in the whole NFL history shows you how its changed. Think #3 is correct as said who on the bears would you put in front? and as asked before who on the packers/lions ho have as much history as bears would you put in front of peppers?
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    I will stand by my oppinion. One year should only put you in the best season list. Another year or two and it would be more understandable if he continues to produce. I know that it won't happen, but if he never takes the field in another game as a Bear, would you or the author of the article consider him one of the best based on that one single season?

    Taking his whole career into account, I can see it. However just looking at his stats from the one year he was a Bear I can not.

    Just like there are technically 30 Chicago Bear hall of fame players, but there are three I won't count because their time as a Chicago Bear was almost nonexistent

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    As far as who I would put infront, anyone who has better stats for the duration of their careers as a member of the team. At least if they only had one season under their belts

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    dabears54,

    As an aside, if the Bears would have taken care of business in week 17 they wouldn't have had to concern themselves with the Packers. In that game Martz abandoned the balanced attack for a pass-happy attack. He can't be trusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Benjamin View Post
    I will stand by my oppinion. One year should only put you in the best season list. Another year or two and it would be more understandable if he continues to produce. I know that it won't happen, but if he never takes the field in another game as a Bear, would you or the author of the article consider him one of the best based on that one single season?

    Taking his whole career into account, I can see it. However just looking at his stats from the one year he was a Bear I can not.

    Just like there are technically 30 Chicago Bear hall of fame players, but there are three I won't count because their time as a Chicago Bear was almost nonexistent

    And agree we have 27, not 30 hall of famers.. i also do not count the part timers, if "most" of their hall of fame career in another place and didn't help here.( and page, kesling and even though drafted him bobby lane all had their hall of fame numbers elsewhere). While not sure of any other's the only off the top of my head that should countfor both is reggie white, because a hall of famer and huge contributor for both eagles and packers.Peppers if makes the hall culd be the same thing as means he probably won a Sb here and been here 5+ years- and with most "lists", no way is everyone going to agree and its about each person's 'opinion" and how they value the best, guess i agree with moon mullin on the WHY on peppers:

    Peppers has had just one Chicago season, making his inclusion a recognition of both what he has been and what he is – the focal point of opposing blocking schemes. As with Atkins and Dent, if the tackle assigned to Peppers is left on his own, Peppers is virtually unblockable.

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