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    J'Marcus Webb emerged in 2010, fills 2011 nee

    Will 2010 emergence lead to 2011 stability?

    February, 15, 2011

    By Kevin seifert

    About this time last year, we compiled a list of four NFC North players who had the opportunity to alleviate some pressure to acquire upgrades at their positions -- provided they demonstrated notable offseason development. In reviewing that post, I feel better about the positions we identified than the specific players we picked out. But such is life.

    This year's pending lockout presents a curveball for offseason development. If a lockout begins in early March and continues through the summer, coaches and front office executives won't have their typical opportunity to improve and observe younger players. Free agency could also be truncated and risky. Ultimately, teams might be left to rely on observations and projections based on last season's performance.

    In that vein, let's pick one player per team whose 2010 emergence seemingly eliminated a 2011 offseason need.

    Chicago Bears

    Player: Offensive lineman J'Marcus Webb

    2010 notables: The Bears made Webb a seventh-round pick last spring and, desperate for alternatives after a rough start, elevated him to the starting lineup in Week 5. Webb's ascendance coincided with the stabilization of the Bears' line, and he remained the starter for the rest of the season. How well he played as an individual is up for debate. According to ESPN's penalty database, Webb was called for 11 penalties in his 12 starts, including seven for holding.

    Position status: If nothing else, Webb enters the offseason as one of the Bears' top two tackles along with Frank Omiyale. Offensive line might be the single-most needy position group on the Bears' roster, and the team could legitimately address any of its five positions in the first round of the 2011 draft. Based on how the draft plays out, the Bears could keep Webb at right tackle. Or, given his 6-foot-8 frame, they could consider moving him to left tackle and returning Omiyale to the right side. The future of 2008 first-round pick Chris Williams, who was moved from left tackle to left guard midway through last season, could also affect where Webb plays.

    2011 projection: Yes, there are many moving parts here. But Webb has a couple of things going for him. One, he is a 22-year-old player who has navigated his way through 12 NFL starts and still has plenty of room to improve. Long-range planners are always infatuated by a young player with experience. Second, Webb is a favorite of Bears offensive line coach Mike Tice, who personally scouted him before the draft -- and came away from Webb's workout with a chipped tooth. There is a long way to go here, and it would be wrong to assume Webb is a lock to start in 2011. But the Bears can't address all five positions in one offseason, and Webb's presence might help make their decisions easier this spring.



    Detroit Lions

    Player: Cornerback Alphonso Smith
    2010 notables: Acquired in a preseason trade with the Denver Broncos, Smith made a productive if uneven debut by intercepting five passes in 12 games. A shoulder injury ended his season in December, and many fans' lasting impression might have been his embarrassing Thanksgiving Day performance against the New England Patriots. But playmaking cornerbacks are difficult to find, and Smith gives the Lions a viable option at a position of significant need.
    Position status: Veterans Chris Houston and Nate Vasher are pending free agents, but the Lions have said they want Houston to return. Veteran Eric King has been informed of his release, according to Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press. Tye Hill, Prince Miller and Paul Pratt are all pending free agents, although the Lions have exclusive rights on Miller and Pratt. Last season's Week 1 nickelback, Aaron Berry, spent most of the season on injured reserve.
    2011 projection:
    In 2010, the Lions brought back only one member of their 2009 secondary: Safety Louis Delmas. Smith's performance in 2009 should at least lessen the overhaul necessary this offseason. Like Webb, he shouldn't be a lock to start in 2011. But the Lions also shouldn't be starting from scratch, either. Smith gives the Lions a legitimate option in the event they focus their resources elsewhere.

    [+] Enlarge Nick Laham/Getty ImagesLate-season starter James Starks gives the Packers options at running back next season.


    Green Bay Packers

    Player: Running back James Starks
    2010 notables:
    Starks' story has been well-told. After spending the first half of the season on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list, he rushed for 73 yards in his NFL debut and amassed 315 yards in four playoff games. In part because he never fumbled, Starks earned the trust of coach Mike McCarthy, and proved to be a reliable and instinctive runner.
    Position status:
    The Packers are expected to get former starter Ryan Grant back from an ankle injury. Grant is scheduled to earn about $5.25 million in 2011, the final year of his most recent contract extension. Backups Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn are pending free agents. Starks leapfrogged fellow rookie Dimitri Nance, who is signed through 2013.
    2011 projection:
    In an era where many teams split carries among their tailbacks, Grant was the Packers' primary runner from 2007 to 2009. That was the plan for 2010 as well, before his injury. But if nothing else, Starks gives the Packers a second option and important insurance should Grant be felled by another injury. Does Starks deserve to compete with Grant for a starting job next season? That's a question the Packers' coaching staff will have to answer whenever training camp convenes. But the Packers learned the hard way last season that a two-man backfield is a requirement, not a luxury.

    [+] Enlarge Rob Grabowski/US PresswireVikings safety Husain Abdullah might have played himself into a starting role next season.


    Minnesota Vikings

    Player: Safety Husain Abdullah
    2010 notables:
    Known mostly for special teams play and fasting during training camp, Abdullah unseated Tyrell Johnson and was a surprise starter at strong safety. He missed one game because of a concussion and tied for the team lead with three interceptions. You never know how players will be viewed by a new coaching staff, but Abdullah seemed to show enough promise to merit another chance to start in 2011.
    Position status:
    The Vikings have long been due for changes at safety, where Johnson and Madieu Williams have performed poorly over the past three seasons. Williams could be released this offseason, opening at least one starting spot. Jamarca Sanford struggled to stay healthy last season but might be best suited as a special teams player.
    2011 projection:
    Would the Vikings replace both starting safeties this offseason? Or would they give Abdullah another chance while focusing on Williams' free safety spot? The latter scenario seems more likely. At this time last season, few would have expected Abdullah to be in this spot. But if last season were any indication, he had leapfrogged every other safety on the Vikings' roster. Read into that ranking what you will.

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    I have to agree as Webb was our best OLmen in the playoffs and his physical upside is huge.

    The problem that I run into is that he has the look and the athletic ability to be a LT. In fact I think the power run blocking is his weakness compared to his pass protection.

    If we even have an offseason I would love to see him get some reps at LT and see where it goes.

    Mark my words Webb will be starting somewhere on the OL in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    I have to agree as Webb was our best OLmen in the playoffs and his physical upside is huge.

    The problem that I run into is that he has the look and the athletic ability to be a LT. In fact I think the power run blocking is his weakness compared to his pass protection.

    If we even have an offseason I would love to see him get some reps at LT and see where it goes.

    Mark my words Webb will be starting somewhere on the OL in 2012.
    Still think he is more a RT, he did struggle at times against the quicker OLB's, though got better at end of year- I have total confidence in Tice figuring out where he Should be over any of us-and wherever Tice ends up putting him is fine by me-be it RT or LT and if we hve camp cant wait to see in practice Webb and herman Johnson line up next to each other- that's some serious beef, not sure if johnson will win a job, but at least in camp they will tower over anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears54 View Post
    Still think he is more a RT, he did struggle at times against the quicker OLB's, though got better at end of year- I have total confidence in Tice figuring out where he Should be over any of us-and wherever Tice ends up putting him is fine by me-be it RT or LT and if we hve camp cant wait to see in practice Webb and herman Johnson line up next to each other- that's some serious beef, not sure if johnson will win a job, but at least in camp they will tower over anyone.
    Herman Johnson will be cut in training camp or spend most of the year inactive.

    There is a reason he was a 5th round pick and the Cardinals gave up on him. He is huge but has very little talent and has not shown anything on an NFL field.

    As much as Tice is an OL guru Russ Grimm worked with Herman Johnson in Arizona and gave up on him early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    Herman Johnson will be cut in training camp or spend most of the year inactive.

    There is a reason he was a 5th round pick and the Cardinals gave up on him. He is huge but has very little talent and has not shown anything on an NFL field.

    As much as Tice is an OL guru Russ Grimm worked with Herman Johnson in Arizona and gave up on him early.
    the only argument I can make for Johnson is he has Tice to work with. And if ANYone is gonna help a guy realize his potential it's tice. you could be right, but it would be nice to see another Webb type palyer come basically out of "nowhere"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyBear91 View Post
    the only argument I can make for Johnson is he has Tice to work with. And if ANYone is gonna help a guy realize his potential it's tice. you could be right, but it would be nice to see another Webb type palyer come basically out of "nowhere"
    The problem is Johnson was working with arguably the best OL coach in the league with Russ Grimm in Arizona.

    I really like Webb and if people knew he could be as good as he was at the end of the season he would have been a 1st round pick. We need to now let Tice use a 1st round pick on an OLmen and see what we get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    The problem is Johnson was working with arguably the best OL coach in the league with Russ Grimm in Arizona.

    I really like Webb and if people knew he could be as good as he was at the end of the season he would have been a 1st round pick. We need to now let Tice use a 1st round pick on an OLmen and see what we get.
    I feel like if I say it enough time's it will actually happen. Nate Solder. that would be a dream come true for a 1st, at least for me anyway. I agree I'll be pissed if we don't go O-line on the first pick unless for some reason there's a freak talent up there that is a "can't miss" guy.... I still think there's hope for this johnson kid. hell teach him fullback. ....... LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyBear91 View Post
    I feel like if I say it enough time's it will actually happen. Nate Solder. that would be a dream come true for a 1st, at least for me anyway. I agree I'll be pissed if we don't go O-line on the first pick unless for some reason there's a freak talent up there that is a "can't miss" guy.... I still think there's hope for this johnson kid. hell teach him fullback. ....... LOL.
    I would like Solder as well, even though he might not be ready in 2011, but we would have to move up for him and I do not see us as a team with the resources to do so.

    Carimi would be great as well as we could compete with Webb. The winner goes to LT the loser goes to RT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    I would like Solder as well, even though he might not be ready in 2011, but we would have to move up for him and I do not see us as a team with the resources to do so.

    Carimi would be great as well as we could compete with Webb. The winner goes to LT the loser goes to RT.
    I'd actually prefer Carimi over Solder. Not that I'm a guru, just that Solder gives me the same feeling that C. Williams did, and I don't want to go down that road again. C. Williams should be a LT in my book, but would like to see him and Webb and someone like Carimi fight it out for starting positions.

    Actually, not that it has to be 1st round or anything, but I'd prefer to draft guards. Someone like Wisniewski would be ideal because of his ability to slide into the center position.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity View Post
    Herman Johnson will be cut in training camp or spend most of the year inactive.

    There is a reason he was a 5th round pick and the Cardinals gave up on him. He is huge but has very little talent and has not shown anything on an NFL field.

    As much as Tice is an OL guru Russ Grimm worked with Herman Johnson in Arizona and gave up on him early.
    Yeah don't think he makes it , just saying in camp will turn heads when they line up or do drills together- serious size

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