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blinddeafmute 
Don't be a homer, DB. The Colts have a very good history of drafting well under Polian.
They DID,and not agruing before 2005 was very good.. BUT the above is the last 4 years #1-#3 round picks is the point( including tim jennings as a #2 pick- can you imagine the heat angelo would take if jennings was our #2 pick 3 years ago? they just don't kill polian like bear fans kill their GM), no doubt before 2005 polian had done a great job drafting since then been mostly MISS esp at top was my point NOT a homer- just showing how "different" drafts get treated by fanbases.. and obviously people have not realized polian has not been good the last few years. Not excusing all the misses Angelo has had( and he's had some real bad one's)- just showing so have most- but because people don't look or follow the other teams they don't realize its been as bad or worse for even someone as good as Polian, and most do not even realize it
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What makes you come to the determination that Polian has been bad since 2005?
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Originally Posted by
blinddeafmute What makes you come to the determination that Polian has been bad since 2005?
why?? do you know who jerry hughes, fila Maolo,jerrard powers,mike pollack,phillip wheeler,dante hughers, tony ugoh,donald brown, marlin jackson,kelvin hayden, vincent burns.. and do you like tim jennings?.. are their top picks
here their whole drafts:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...2200&type=team
Not one star or even probowler from any of those drafts is why would say he didn't draft well, don't you think?
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dabears54 Not sure how you can say the scouting dep't did a good job then say poor job of selection- are you saying you think angelo/loie ignore the scouts?.. because from that article I didn't get that- and its the scout's job to come up with the draft board- not sure how much lovie has input on draft day to be honest
I don't know how often it happens but we know of at least one instance where it did. Gabriel was on the phone with James Starks telling him that they were selecting him with their next pick and then Angelo pulled the rug out from underneath him and picked LeFevour instead. If it happened once I'm sure that it did and will happen again. Leopards don't change their spots.
As for the draft board, I don't think the scouts set that up all by themselves. If they did why did Angelo say that he was spending so much time studying film on rookie prospects? I also can't believe that Lovie doesn't have a significant amount of input on draft day.
What coach would put his job on the line with zero input into his future players? Hell, I wouldn't take a job where I was completely responsible for the success of an operation and had no input into my team. That only happened to me once in my career. The guy was a colossal failure and a year later I left the company leaving them with Mr. Incompetent.
Last edited by soulman; 02-21-2011 at 01:04 PM.
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Originally Posted by
dabears54 why?? do you know who jerry hughes, fila Maolo,jerrard powers,mike pollack,phillip wheeler,dante hughers, tony ugoh,donald brown, marlin jackson,kelvin hayden, vincent burns.. and do you like tim jennings?.. are their top picks
here their whole drafts:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...2200&type=team
Not one star or even probowler from any of those drafts is why would say he didn't draft well, don't you think?
Not one star? Maybe you don't watch the Colts play at all. They put together well rounded teams, and its a little more difficult to replace top notch talent. They've continued to make the playoffs annually, despite no prowbowl players drafted. They have many of those picks playing vital roles though.
End result is the colts draft much better than the bears and continue to do so.
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soulman I don't know how often it happens but we know of at least one instance where it did. Gabriel was on the phone with James Starks telling him that they were selecting him with their next pick and then Angelo pulled the rug out from underneath him and picked LeFevour instead. If it happened once I'm sure that it did and will happen again. Leopards don't change their spots.
As for the draft board, I don't think the scouts set that up all by themselves. If they did why did Angelo say that he was spending so much time studying film on rookie prospects? I also can't believe that Lovie doesn't have a significant amount of input on draft day.
What coach would put his job on the line with zero input into his future players? Hell, I wouldn't take a job where I was completely responsible for the success of an operation and had no input into my team. That only happened to me once in my career. The guy was a colossal failure and a year later I left the company leaving them with Mr. Incompetent.
good point on starks, and didn't means scout set it up themselves,but its angelo's board, but most o input from scouts- and guess we will disagree about how much input, esp lovie on draft, unlike your example of starks, have never seen/heard anything about lovie and draft picks- think he has 'some" input, and esp more about "needs"( ie lovie wants a DT or OG, but up to scouts/Gm to find the best).. Just IMO think lovie would ahve more input into the F/A side, than College side with draft picks, he's a PRO coach, more than a College guy... I'd think coaches like a saban,spurrier,carroll, that have the college backrounds would want/have more input into draft and Choices, where the HC's that spent life in NFL, more F/a where know the people and moe comfortable
Last edited by dabears54; 02-21-2011 at 01:15 PM.
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Originally Posted by
blinddeafmute Not one star? Maybe you don't watch the Colts play at all. They put together well rounded teams, and its a little more difficult to replace top notch talent. They've continued to make the playoffs annually, despite no prowbowl players drafted. They have many of those picks playing vital roles though.
End result is the colts draft much better than the bears and continue to do so.
I Watch the colts alot- just pointing out his drafts have not been good( that is ok to admit), that they still win alot, more a function,IMO of one Peyton manning, than the draft picks of the last few years,not sure the connection to bad drafts and over 60% of these guys not even on the team anymore, has to do with them still winning, one is not relying on the other.
again just trying to be objective that the following names ARE NOT GOOD PICKS in rounds 1-3 the lst 4+ years.. nothing more, nothing lss, I do not know how you can think they are good players or picks
jerry hughes, fila Maolo,jerrard powers,mike pollack,phillip wheeler,dante hughers, tony ugoh,donald brown, marlin jackson,kelvin hayden, vincent burnsand tim jennings
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Originally Posted by
dabears54 I Watch the colts alot- just pointing out his drafts have not been good( that is ok to admit), that they still win alot, more a function,IMO of one Peyton manning, than the draft picks of the last few years,not sure the connection to bad drafts and over 60% of these guys not even on the team anymore, has to do with them still winning, one is not relying on the other.
again just trying to be objective that the following names ARE NOT GOOD PICKS in rounds 1-3 the lst 4+ years.. nothing more, nothing lss, I do not know how you can think they are good players or picks
jerry hughes, fila Maolo,jerrard powers,mike pollack,phillip wheeler,dante hughers, tony ugoh,donald brown, marlin jackson,kelvin hayden, vincent burnsand tim jennings
Very few of those guys were cut right away, some were replaced by later draft picks.
The colts don't do hardly anything in FA so all of their success comes through the draft.
They might not have as good of drafts as they did prior to 05, but they are still a hell of a lot better than the bears, and that was the point of the original comment.
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Originally Posted by
blinddeafmute Very few of those guys were cut right away, some were replaced by later draft picks.
The colts don't do hardly anything in FA so all of their success comes through the draft.
They might not have as good of drafts as they did prior to 05, but they are still a hell of a lot better than the bears, and that was the point of the original comment.
really would you rather have devin hester, or tim jennings?
would you rather have matt forte or joeseph addai?
tony ugoh or chris williams?
kelvon hayden or chris harris?
which guess is is my point back- despite the super harsh criticism and hype for indy it has not been to use your words " but they are still a hell of a lot better than the bears,} the last few years, sorry
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dabears54 really would you rather have devin hester, or tim jennings?
would you rather have matt forte or joeseph addai?
tony ugoh or chris williams?
kelvon hayden or chris harris?
which guess is is my point back- despite the super harsh criticism and hype for indy it has not been to use your words " but they are still a hell of a lot better than the bears,} the last few years, sorry
Um, when you limit it to a few of their busts, it makes sense, but when you look at the whole picture of their drafts, they fare much much better.
I'd rather have Garcon or Collie over any of our receivers.
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