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I'd say a SB win would help Urlacher as much as it hurt Dent. If we win it next year, having Briggs and Peppers on the D with him isn't as big a deal as who Dent was playing with..
I'd say a SB win would help Urlacher as much as it hurt Dent. If we win it next year, having Briggs and Peppers on the D with him isn't as big a deal as who Dent was playing with..
the anchor of the 85 "D" was samurai and/or Hampton not dent...and don't see the correlation of a DE to a MLB or because dent took so long, urlacher also must. A large part of dent taking so long was already had Singletary and Hampton in there, and while don't agree with it- some thought he was a product of those 2 getting the attention. Also as Peter king alluded to, dent only having 4 probowl's and 1 All pro also hurt him many years, 2 things urlacher with 8 probowl's 4 all pro's and NFCDPOY will not have to overcomeOriginally Posted by Jimmors
I dont see why he couldnt become a hof er he is awesome. But if he doesnt become one I wouldnt be surprised or it wouldnt be an outrage
Anchor meaning the DL, which is the key to any defense. And im not the one who is comparing positions...you are, so im not sure why you are trying to imply that i am. This is why i specifically used the words "credentials." If you want to have a "discussion" then thats fine, but if you want to put words in my mouth, then i guess you can go discuss it with yourself then. I never made any correlation about the positions they play, so perhaps that is why you "dont see it."
As far as the probowls go...i never take much stock in those one way or the other, because all they are are popularity contests. Maybe it helps him, maybe it doesnt...i dont know. I highly doubt Dent's number of Probowls is what held him back for so long, regardless of what peter king says.
as said, danimal, not dent was the anchor of the D-line. he was the heart and soul and who teams concentrated on.And as said urlacher's "credentials" of NFLDPOY and rookie of year and 8 probowl's are more impressive than dent's 'credentials" of no NFLDPOY no rook and 4 probowl's... and despite YOU not ptting much stock in awards or probowls others do
http://www.chicagobears.com/tradition/hof-hampton.asp
A disruptive force from the inside or outside, Dan Hampton anchored one of the most dominant defensive lines in NFL history. Hampton was selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2002 and is the 26th Bear to earn the honor.
He was named to the NFL Team of the ’80’s by the Pro Football Hall of Fame Board of Selectors and was a Pro Bowl performer four times during that decade (1980, 1982, 1984 and 1985), twice as a defensive end and two times as a defensive tackle. Hampton was named Defensive MVP by Pro Football Weekly in 1982 and started the first 48 games of his career where he established himself as a dominant pass rusher, recording 25 sacks during his first three seasons in the league.
Fine, hampton was the "anchor" and Dent was an important part of that line as well...point being he was a HoF DE on the 85 defense.
As far as his credentials go, as i noticed he was in the top 6 in sacks, top 7 in FF...Urlacher isnt even in the top 10 in tackles all time, and i highly doubt without looking it up that he is in the top 10 category all-time in any other stat either...and yes i know he still has a few more years yet to play...but this discussion was about what the 2010 season did for his chances. Dent got in because he is one of the best at his position, Urlacher is a great MLB, but his 'credentials' in comparison to other MLBs already in the HoF are not quite there yet...so yes, Urlacher did have more probowls and DROY, but Dent also has a SB win and SB MVP on his list, Urlacher does not.
So that is why i say he will have to wait to get in...since Dent was one of the best at his position and had to wait, then i dont see how Urlacher makes it in easily when he is not one of the best all time at his position.
tackles an unofficial stat until recently, and teams did it themselves with some outrageous numbers, heck even now have 2 different, one by NFL.COm( i used those), and one the bears use which is alot more, for instance, urlacher just passed singletary in tackles on the bears "official tackle" list- so that would be the better HOF comparision if you want to compare era's.. and ulracher has more sacks, INT and Passess defended than samurai didn't have to wait long
Singletary had only 19 sacks, 7 INT's and 12 FR's( didn't do passes defended back then), so urlacher has more tackles, more sacks, more INT's than Samurai for a better comparision- both have 8 probowls and won the NFLDOY
Last edited by dabears54; 02-22-2011 at 01:18 PM.
How there isn't ONE official record for stats is odd. I think comparing Singletary to Urlacher is a better relative indicator than comparing to linemen.
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Ok, that would be a comparison that favors Urlacher's chances. I didnt look up Singletary's because i assumed most if not all of his would have been better then Urlachers.
Yeah, the tackle thing annoying especially. What teams 'claim', is the stasitician at game can't follow everything in real time, and need "game film review" for the tackle totals.. So on sunday get the game numbers of tackles, and then on tuesday after team reviews the film get their numbers, which esp for assists usually inflates the numbers..But I just use the nfl's to keep it simple and consistant.
And in all categories urlacher had better numbers than singletary- for big reason he should be in.
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