Thread: Mayock: Angelo on top in bottom-line business

Originally Posted by dabears54

How do you know that was the only pick that went against Gabriel's advice? maybe gabrel didnt didn't want forte or bennett??.. Do you have any links about other picks? thanks

Unless we know who he wanted insted of those two it's really a non issue.
Maybe he wanted Ray Rice, Jamal Charles, Desean Jackson, or Early Doucet.
Would we be any worse off? No.

Originally Posted by dabears54

last 5 years he hit on hester, manning,olsen,forte in the top of draft( first 2 rounds) to varying degrees, despending on your hate of all things bears and williams i'd put in the "incomplete" category but can be a hit if he starts all of 2011. His misses at top have been dan bauzin only... just saying somehow that one miss is the only thing talked about..and the "myth" of he fails at top of draft, more perception than reality.

My hate of all things Bears? WTF are you talking about? Me thinks you are confusing me with someone else. I bash Chris Williams, because he is a bum, and a waste of a roster spot because he sucks at this job.

Yes, he had four hits in the 1st and 2nd rounds in the past five years, which when you break it down is pretty damn good.

Minus 2 1sts and 1 second the past three years, that is four hits in seven picks the past five years. Over 50%

However, one request for you. Could you re-read my quote please.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Saying he looks better because we didn't have those picks for him to bust doesnt really help his cause though DB. Everyone knows he is good with his middle and late round picks. The part where everyone bashes him is his constant misses on first round talent

First round talent is where most fans bash him. How many first round hits has he had? Olsen (though this COULD have some debate as the Bears when trying to trade him could not gather a decent pick for him) and...........

My hate of all things Bears? WTF are you talking about? Me thinks you are confusing me with someone else.

Calm down benj.. wasn't talking you specifically and a general "to varying degrees, despending on your hate of all things bears " on where you would rank the picks( for 'some" all the picks suck and hester isn't as good as packers practice squad guys for example, or others think manning has turned into a good SS while other posters think manning is horrible, or williams som think decent and others like you think he sucks-wasn't directed at you only, but a general "depending on the bears hate" will say how well you find the picks and trying not to get into that argument on the ranking specifically.. Just saying his percentage and picks the last 5 years at top not as bad as many's perception or portrayed, nothing more, nothing less

and i'd say tommie harris a hit( 3 probowl's makes him a hit, despite his then getting injured and not finishing what was a great start to career), and columbo and benson Busts for bears but have shown have talent, so again you can call those busts, but it "could"( i know most here would never do anything postive) be argued both shown the talent, just not here, one for injury the other for mental problems..

So in 9 years have only 6 first round picks( which also skews the results that 3 years 2006,2009,2010) no first round picks, have a total bust in Haynes, 2 good players that busted on bears,but produced elsewhere( showing talent call correct) in benson and columbo and without openign the usual 5 page debate on grossman let's call him a bust and have 2 good picks in harris and olsen and one incomplete in willams.. Not good, a 33% good, 33% bust and 33% good on another team..But if go to the 2nd round, te % of good increases dramatically( which is why its always just about the #1 pick).. with tillman, forte,hester,manning as #'2 and no #2's in 2002, 2009 and 2010( or 4 hits in 6 years)

And for the last time, I'm nt saying angelo is 'great" or even very good, JST NOTAWFUL OR THE WORST as some here constantly claim.. there IS a huge difference.

- Chris Williams (2008) Bust

- Greg Olson (2007) Good

- Cedric Benson (2005) Bust
- Tommie Harris (2004) Great

- Michael Haynes (2003) bust

- Rex Grossman (2003) bust

- Marc Colombo (2002)bust
- David Terrell (2001) bust


Two of eight is not good.


He is not the worst by far, I agree, but far below average IMO.

I'm not anti JA on this but I don't think he or any GM/Scouting Staff should miss on more than 1 in 10 of the teams 1st and 2nd round picks. The main reason it happens is, because of need, they reach for players that shouldn't be drafted that high.

JA said it best when he indicated that FA was the best place to fill needs because you can evaluate those guys who have 4 years NFL experience and it's less of a crap shoot. You should know pretty well whether or not that guy should be an immediate fit for your team.

To me the early draft rounds are a place for getting quality players who fit your team but may not necessarily meet your highest need. For instance, your top need an is OT but the top Oline guy left is an OG so you pick him is the first rather than reach for the 6th best OT who only rates a second round pick. Or the second best RB rather than the 5th best WR.

Good coaching has proven time and time again that mid round players can become stars but may not contribute as immediately as the first or second rounders. That's why they're rated where they are.

And yes, his critics always focus on the first round, because that is an important pick. If you screw that one up, you will hear about it. Is it entirely fair to judge based on ONE pick when you (normally) have six others? No. You could bust out on the first rounder, but have probowlers with ever other pick in that draft, but if you bust out on the first rounder, you wont hear the end of it.

david terrell wasn't an angelo pick FWIW

and as said on columbo and benson, busts on ebars but have shown talent and starting ability..and disagree on williams a bust, more an imcomplete and if starts again in 2011 not a bust