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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears54 View Post
    yes, JD you are correct i'm the on;y one here doing it.. got it... its never done to me right..LOLOL.. hypoctisy IS a 2 way street here. why do you only dole it back one way?,.. aww never mind not worth it, we both know it goes now where

    Yes DB, you are a victim. Always, forever, and all alone. You haven't been hypocritical, ever. You are the victim. Completely unprovoked. You can quote people and make smart snyde remarks and not be the aggressor, but when others quote you in the exact same manner, you are a complete victim. Got it. Not a two way street. Just one way.

    Notice to all Dabears members: You must agree with DB, even when he contradicts himself. Be careful though, you must stay on the same side of his contradiction that he currently inhabits, otherwise you will be guilty.......of something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears54 View Post
    yes, JD you are correct i'm the on;y one here doing it.. got it... its never done to me right..LOLOL.. hypoctisy IS a 2 way street here. why do you only dole it back one way?,.. aww never mind not worth it, we both know it goes now where


    WRONG. Everyone here is hypocritical. Just that you are the only one who doesn't respond well to that being pointed out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4th and 26 View Post
    He will never be an elite qb unless he has a supporting cast. If he has no protection then his career will be cut short.
    That is nessesarry for any QB. But there are many things that Cutler needs to improve in himself. Footwork, decisions, staying out of quicksand. It's really not as simple as get him a line and a WR and BOOM, he's elite. He was so up and down this past season, with the same supporting cast, that youd have to think alot of his problems come from within.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BearStuff View Post
    Yes DB, you are a victim. Always, forever, and all alone. You haven't been hypocritical, ever. You are the victim. Completely unprovoked. You can quote people and make smart snyde remarks and not be the aggressor, but when others quote you in the exact same manner, you are a complete victim. Got it. Not a two way street. Just one way.

    Notice to all Dabears members: You must agree with DB, even when he contradicts himself. Be careful though, you must stay on the same side of his contradiction that he currently inhabits, otherwise you will be guilty.......of something.
    Nope , not a victim and as you said it IS a 2 way street, though you only criticize one side of it was my point, but you know that : )

    Please show me where, anywhere, i have ever even once said was a victim or that I have ever claimed that people must agree with me( and all the "guess we shall agree to disagree posts here I do, guess do not count..)- we both know its not true,...just find it funny when certain people take jabs constantly you say nothing about that, but 2nd the shoe is on the other foot for one post, you jump in immediately ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobeOfFrogs View Post
    That is nessesarry for any QB. But there are many things that Cutler needs to improve in himself. Footwork, decisions, staying out of quicksand. It's really not as simple as get him a line and a WR and BOOM, he's elite. He was so up and down this past season, with the same supporting cast, that youd have to think alot of his problems come from within.

    I agree there are things he needs to improve on but having the supporting cast will improve on all of those troubled areas. Last year Aaron Rodgers was getting sacked like crazy in the first half of the season and he went through growing pains but he improved over the season and his OL played better, the running game got better and I think that gave him more confidence in his line and team. Jay on the other hand I feel is rattled in games because he is constantly getting hit, his wrs are not fighting for the ball and his running game is not there at times. I can't remember the last time a qb took a beating like Jay did this year and finished the season. I believe those hits are getting to him and if the bears do not address these issues he will not have a long career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4th and 26 View Post
    I agree there are things he needs to improve on but having the supporting cast will improve on all of those troubled areas. Last year Aaron Rodgers was getting sacked like crazy in the first half of the season and he went through growing pains but he improved over the season and his OL played better, the running game got better and I think that gave him more confidence in his line and team. Jay on the other hand I feel is rattled in games because he is constantly getting hit, his wrs are not fighting for the ball and his running game is not there at times. I can't remember the last time a qb took a beating like Jay did this year and finished the season. I believe those hits are getting to him and if the bears do not address these issues he will not have a long career.
    Jon Kitna 2006 and 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears54 View Post
    Nope , not a victim and as you said it IS a 2 way street, though you only criticize one side of it was my point, but you know that : )

    Please show me where, anywhere, i have ever even once said was a victim or that I have ever claimed that people must agree with me( and all the "guess we shall agree to disagree posts here I do, guess do not count..)- we both know its not true,...just find it funny when certain people take jabs constantly you say nothing about that, but 2nd the shoe is on the other foot for one post, you jump in immediately ..

    I'm going to play the DB game instead. YOU show ME where others haven't had their hypocrisy pointed out. YOU show ME where I agree with everyone else except you. YOU show ME where you are the only victim. (No you don't use the word victim, you merely imply it in every interaction, including the post I quoted just now).


    I find it funny that you play these little passive aggressive games and then are surprised with the results. Therefore you show me where you are treated differently than anyone else (other than the fact that this is a constant issue with you and others can and do understand the nature of a messageboard and debate in general). This is not the only messageboard where you have issues, it's just the one that has been most tolerant of your behavior.

    You make these little things public, therefore I answer in public. Others don't try to make these things public, so they are dealt with in private, as it should be. I apologize to all Dabears members that have to read this petty back and forth. It is tiring for them to read. It is tiring for me to participate in. It won't last much longer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobeOfFrogs View Post
    Jon Kitna 2006 and 2007.
    True but kitna also turned the ball over a lot during that time frame.

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    Just a hypothetical here:
    If one thinks that they are a victim then WHY come on here?
    If one thinks that they are the only voice of reason they WHY post?
    If one believes that they are overly persecuted then WHY put up with it?
    USE THE IGNORE BUTTON/FEATURE
    If you still put up with it then what is the agenda?

    ITS THE INTERNET there is no need to ascribe things that cannot manifest themselves in the REAL WORLD
    Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics, even if you win your still messed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4th and 26 View Post
    True but kitna also turned the ball over a lot during that time frame.
    Of course he did. That's why nobody traded two first rounders for him. He was in his 10th season and was always a high turnover guy.

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