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If one of the 'stud' DT's are still available, i'd prefer to get him, and replace the guards with FA's (move Williams to LT) and draft an OL in the second. I'd still like to get Ballard or Liuget.
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Originally Posted by
GrizzlyBear91 
this actually brings up a good question. do we go after a stud DL to replace the once mighty T.Harris??.... or do we look to nab up one of the top tier O-linemen?
I think I'm good eitherway considering how loaded the draft is with Talented O-linemen. we could take a Stud DT in the first and still find at least 2 linemen good enough to replace Ohmyhell, and the Aging Garza.
DL!!!
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Originally Posted by
BigClaws What reason has JA given us to believe that he would draft an o-lineman? Anyone who assumed that hasn't paid attention to his track record, Vaughn, if that's really your name.
Well in 2008 we took chris williams(OT), matt forte( rb) and bennett( WR) as ou first 3 picks, in 2002 he made marc columbo his #1 pick.. so 1/3 of the time we have had a #1 pick, we have gone Oline.. while not a "sure thing" he has done it. And actually if being objective and not emotional Oline is tied for the most #1 picks he has made..
angelo's First round picks
olineman- 2X- columbo(2002) and williams(2008)
Dlineman- 2X- Haynes(2003) and tommie(2004)
Qb- 1X- Rex(2004)
RB- 1X Benson(2005)
TE- 1X greg olsen (2007)
no #1's in 2006, 2009 2010
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Originally Posted by
Henry Burris If one of the 'stud' DT's are still available, i'd prefer to get him, and replace the guards with FA's (move Williams to LT) and draft an OL in the second. I'd still like to get Ballard or Liuget.
that's the big risk and question , not just bears, but all teams will struggle with. How do you draft?? W/o knowing who is available in F/A and who even if available you can get?.. A big part of that is the "RFA QUESTION".. Some of the F/A guards we "think" are availabl, "if" the years to Free agency is 5 or 6 instead of the expected 4, alot will revert to their old teams and not be F/A and a team banking on those guys to fill holes will be screwed. just makes this draft that much more hard and important depending on the CBA
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What's funny is I'd rather see DL in the first as well, but I can here the masses crying already if we don't go O-line.
This draft is LOADED with O-line Talent. I don't think your gonna find a Starting DT any later than the 2nd round IMO. a good project possible stud down the road yeah... but "step right in and take over" kind of DT... your gonna have to look in the first.
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We actually need two DTs=a 3 tech and a NT. So I can see one FA and one drafted. I said all season our first pick will be a DT so Im not surprised at all. If the right guy is there who gives a shit we take a DT first as long as they do pay attention to major holes on offense in FA as urgent as they do for the defense.
Grizz people wouldnt be pissed with the direction the team takes in drafts if they actually do a legit job for the offense which always gets the short end of the stick. ALWAYS. Our defense was rated top 5 our offense was rated one of the worst in the league. Where should our attention go?
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We need to prepare ourselves in case thier is a run on OL talent and we are left without the guys we are targetting.
There are a couple of DT prospects that could help us, but our defense was solid with what we had last season.
What do people think of Muhammed Wilkerson?
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Originally Posted by
motownbear We actually need two DTs=a 3 tech and a NT. So I can see one FA and one drafted. I said all season our first pick will be a DT so Im not surprised at all. If the right guy is there who gives a shit we take a DT first as long as they do pay attention to major holes on offense in FA as urgent as they do for the defense.
Grizz people wouldnt be pissed with the direction the team takes in drafts if they actually do a legit job for the offense which always gets the short end of the stick. ALWAYS. Our defense was rated top 5 our offense was rated one of the worst in the league. Where should our attention go?
think alot will depend on how the draft "breaks".. if one of the top OT's is there can see that the #1 pic,BUT if all gone, much rather see the team take a DT and value at #29 , than 'reach" for an olineman just to appeases the masses that will complain anyway
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Originally Posted by
WindyCity We need to prepare ourselves in case thier is a run on OL talent and we are left without the guys we are targetting.
There are a couple of DT prospects that could help us, but our defense was solid with what we had last season.
What do people think of Muhammed Wilkerson?
he would be available most project early 2nd/late first for him:... love his play on tape and production, BUT becuase he played in the MAC conference, that has to be considered also..
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...ospect_id=2765
The 2010 campaign has been even more impressive. Wilkerson is third on the team with 70 tackles with a bowl game yet to play. Once again, tallying that many tackles is nearly unheard of and his ability to stuff the run makes him one of the most dangerous defensive tackles.
When Wilkerson is not stuffing the run, he is still getting into the backfield. This season he has 13.0 tackles-for-loss and 9.5 sacks. There is not much else Wilkerson can do to improve his NFL stock. He has been relatively consistent over the last two years and could very easily be a second or third round selection if he opts to go pro early.
http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/pro..._Wilkerson.jsp
Strengths
- Fast rising penetrator who disrupts plays in the backfield
- Can play three or five technique
- Good height and length
- One of top pass rushing DTs in the draft (15 sacks the past two years including 9.5 in 2010
- Moves well laterally - can get down the line
- Quick of the ball and shoots gaps
- Aggressive and plays with a high motor
- Capable of pushing the pocket
Weaknesses
- Loses leverage by playing upright
- Inconsistent anchor at the point of attack
- Needs to learn to use his hands to disengage from blockers better
- Has played against a low level of competition
- Needs to get stronger especially in the upper body
- Good burst and acceleration but not overly fast
Last edited by dabears54; 03-01-2011 at 10:42 AM.
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Part of the problem is the offensive coaches havn't really been that stellar have they?... you look at the stats DB posted up and Angelo is pretty evenely split on offense and defense...
it would appear he just has better luck drafting defensive guys.... or is it that he CAN draft offense and the likes of Turner and CO did more to HINDER the development of JA's drafted talent than bring it to fruition. now I believe that's been widely accepted as fact.... that for a long time the bears couldn't develop our offensive talent... so is that a reflection of bad drafting??? or coaches who couldn't get the job done??
you look at the success mike tice had with O-line, you look at Knox, and Bennett and even Hester.... ALL made big strides from an offensive stand point...
so again.... where does everyone get off saying he CANT draft and the offense has been Neglected???? a few moves didn't pan out the way we hoped, yea.... but neglected? short end of the stick??.... enough already.
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