New kickoff rule hurts hester/chicago

**dabears54** · 03-18-2011, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by soulman

And just how much of the owners concerns over injuries, which have led to some pretty ridiculous rule changes, is all about the money issue? Medical costs and salaries paid out to the injured as well as those who a team might have to pick up have got to be on their collective minds.

I know that kickoffs entail a lot of violent collisions but trying to take them out of the picture by creating more touchbacks isn't the answer. It's just one more way that the interest in the game will decline. Next QB's will have a crease to hide in just hockey goalies and no one will be able to touch them if their in it, LOL.

oh I agree, hate the idea of this- just trying to find some logic, where seems none exists

**dabears54** · 03-18-2011, 06:14 AM

thought ESPN had a good chart on not jsut bears but rest of NFCN good on returns now( but bad on coverage):

2010 Kickoff returns: NFC North

TeamAvg. startNFL rank
Chicago31.5T-1
Minnesota30.0 4
Green Bay27.6 11
Detroit27.1 14
2010 Kickoffs: NFC North

TeamOpp. avg. startNFL rank

Detroit27.5 19
Chicago28.5 27
Green Bay29.8 31
Minnesota30.8 32

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth

**The Benjamin** · 03-18-2011, 06:31 AM

Well. The NFL has made one change for the QB. After an interception no one is allowed to touch the QB anymore. He becomes a non factor and can not get involved in the play after an INT. At least that is what I thought I heard them saying on the radio the other day

**dabears54** · 03-18-2011, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Well. The NFL has made one change for the QB. After an interception no one is allowed to touch the QB anymore. He becomes a non factor and can not get involved in the play after an INT. At least that is what I thought I heard them saying on the radio the other day

Had not seen that, and sounds more like a sports radio idea than anything real.. Makes no sense, if a Qb throws an INT in the flat and ony man to beat he must stand there? or like happened to bears with rodger's he can't touch urlacher? got any link?

Ok found it.. the Qb can still make a tackle, but he wll be classified as a 'defensless player for fines( but not sure about penalties, seems can still hit him, but subject to fines if flagrant( sort of like a late hit on a throw)!.. not sure how that is going to work..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6223700

The league looks at two years worth of plays to determined repeat offenders.

Rules defining a defenseless player will be expanded and now will include eight categories:
• A quarterback in the act of throwing;
• A receiver trying to catch a pass;
• A runner already in the grasp of tacklers and having his forward progress stopped;
• A player fielding a punt or a kickoff;
• A kicker or punter during the kick;
• A quarterback at any time after change of possession
• A receiver who receives a blind-side block;
• A player already on the ground.

**The Benjamin** · 03-18-2011, 07:17 AM

Thanks DB

**little bear** · 03-18-2011, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by dabears54

Here are the new “proposed rules” to kickoffs on Sundays:

- Ball is kicked off from the 35-yard line (30-yard line last season)
- Touchbacks are brought out to the 25-yard line (20-yard line last season)
- Coverage players cannot line up more than 5-yards behind kicker (trying to reduce the top end speed)
- No wedge blocking (2-man wedge least season)

**soulman** · 03-18-2011, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by dabears54

Had not seen that, and sounds more like a sports radio idea than anything real.. Makes no sense, if a Qb throws an INT in the flat and ony man to beat he must stand there? or like happened to bears with rodger's he can't touch urlacher? got any link?

Ok found it.. the Qb can still make a tackle, but he wll be classified as a 'defensless player for fines( but not sure about penalties, seems can still hit him, but subject to fines if flagrant( sort of like a late hit on a throw)!.. not sure how that is going to work..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6223700

The league looks at two years worth of plays to determined repeat offenders.

Rules defining a defenseless player will be expanded and now will include eight categories:
• A quarterback in the act of throwing;
• A receiver trying to catch a pass;
• A runner already in the grasp of tacklers and having his forward progress stopped;
• A player fielding a punt or a kickoff;
• A kicker or punter during the kick;
• A quarterback at any time after change of possession
• A receiver who receives a blind-side block;
• A player already on the ground.

As to the QB on any change of possession, aren't they talking about hits to the head or neck only. That's what the rule forbids. This just seems to define the who's and when's.

There asking for trouble with that QB in the act of throwing thing though. If he's in the act of throwing wouldn't a rush man go for the shoulders and arm. That puts the QB's head and neck squarely in the target zone. To me the whole rule on this sucks. Sacks are another exciting play for the fans and this shit will just reduce the number of them and potentially have guys like Peppers serving a suspension for nothing more than a hard clean hit.

Why don't they just paint a 3'x3' box on the field and let the QB retreat to that and rule that you can't tackle him or even obstruct him while he's in that box, LOL. It wouldn't be any more ridiculous than the rule we have today.

**dabears54** · 03-18-2011, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by soulman

As to the QB on any change of possession, aren't they talking about hits to the head or neck only. That's what the rule forbids. This just seems to define the who's and when's.

There asking for trouble with that QB in the act of throwing thing though. If he's in the act of throwing wouldn't a rush man go for the shoulders and arm. That puts the QB's head and neck squarely in the target zone. To me the whole rule on this sucks. Sacks are another exciting play for the fans and this shit will just reduce the number of them and potentially have guys like Peppers serving a suspension for nothing more than a hard clean hit.

Why don't they just paint a 3'x3' box on the field and let the QB retreat to that and rule that you can't tackle him or even obstruct him while he's in that box, LOL. It wouldn't be any more ridiculous than the rule we have today.

Yeah, you could be right Soul, as said needs MORE DEFINING.. and 100% about the "qb throwing bs".. really sick and tired of protecting the Qb's...esp when a DE is just doing his job and because at 6'5 or 6'6".. simple physics will ahve him sometimes hitting the head even after a legit tackle/hit as has happened with peppers.. they can't stop in mid-motion and make sure the miss the head .. and as long as not leading with the helmet... ridiculous to fine/suspend for it

reminds me of the time( can't remember exactly who, but think was alphonso boone ), when one of our our fatties legitimately sacked the the qb and got a 15 yard "roughing" penatly for the "excessive use of weight on qb"...like he can magically control his weight and how falls on someone

**4th and 26** · 03-18-2011, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by JustWinBaby

I like that rule, too many guys like Williams of Dallas were using that as their only method of tackling. Even when he ran straight at someone he just lunged for the collar because you can pull people backwards, I like the rule as that was ruining the tackling in the NFL.

The horse collar tackle was not ruining tackling in the NFL. If you are chasing a player from behind then how are you suppose to tackle a player?

**dabears54** · 03-18-2011, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by 4th and 26

The horse collar tackle was not ruining tackling in the NFL. If you are chasing a player from behind then how are you suppose to tackle a player?

grab him by the waist..

grab him by his leg/ankles( see this alot)..

grab him by his arm/shoulder

many options that NONE involve a "horse collar" and uni and blowing out a guys knees by doing it when he's bent backward by the weight/force of the player

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