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Originally Posted by
soulman 
During the games I did watch last season I had the impression that D J Moore was one of the best nickle blitzer's we've had in a while. Nice to see the actual numbers comparison of the guys who are known for it. 4th I'll disagree with you. Woodson is a great player but his days are beginning to draw to a close just like Dawkins.
Although Woodson may be a better overall playmaker right now it's obvious that his numerous blitz's are less productive than Moore's and Moore also has the advantage of having most of his career ahead of him not behind him. For our purposes Moore does what we need him to do.
This was a thread strictly of who was a better blitzer in 2010, NOT who is the better overall player- Which of course the $10 million/yr Corner is the better player than the 2nd year $500,000/yr Corner, shouldn't be a suprise or issue for anyone.
woodson's 15% presure number NOT good( moore's was above 25%) was all this was about- woodson does alot of other things that obviously make him the better player( and for almost $10 mill more a season, he better be better!), but he wasn't an effective blitzer in 2010 is all that is saying, and Moore was amoung one of the more effectiv blitzer's from the secondary in 2010 is what the thread and stats show, which was good to know and as you said put a fact and number on what it looked like during the year
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I may have blurred the lines a bit with my initial posts, but I'm trying to keep it in the context of the OP.
I used a pass rushing example and not a "pass coverage example" true it was an INT, but it was an example of him making plays in the pass rush dept.
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he was allot better then I ever thought he would be. But comparing him to Woodson lol. He isnt even comparable to Tillman. I wont make him out to be something he isnt. I like him as a NB just like how I liked RMJ there(If anyone remembers key plays made by RMJ created turnover similar to what Moore did). Nothing wrong with that it is an important position on this defense and one less problem to have to worry about.
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Originally Posted by
dabears54 This was a thread strictly of who was a better blitzer in 2010, NOT who is the better overall player- Which of course the $10 million/yr Corner is the better player than the 2nd year $500,000/yr Corner, shouldn't be a suprise or issue for anyone.
woodson's 15% presure number NOT good( moore's was above 25%) was all this was about- woodson does alot of other things that obviously make him the better player( and for almost $10 mill more a season, he better be better!), but he wasn't an effective blitzer in 2010 is all that is saying, and Moore was amoung one of the more effectiv blitzer's from the secondary in 2010 is what the thread and stats show, which was good to know and as you said put a fact and number on what it looked like during the year
What's really interesting is just how little value the Packers got out of those 108 blitzes. And of course you'd expect better play from a $10 mil guy than a $500k guy but strictly from a value standpoint the Packers can have him and his cap number. I'll take Moore.
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Originally Posted by
soulman What's really interesting is just how little value the Packers got out of those 108 blitzes. And of course you'd expect better play from a $10 mil guy than a $500k guy but strictly from a value standpoint the Packers can have him and his cap number. I'll take Moore.
Yep and that's a 3rd conversation.. who was the better "value" for the salary.. which is different from who is the better player( nothing to do with salary), or better blitzer in 2010, but who when take into account production VS salary, who was a better value?
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Originally Posted by
motownbear he was allot better then I ever thought he would be. But comparing him to Woodson lol. He isnt even comparable to Tillman. I wont make him out to be something he isnt. I like him as a NB just like how I liked RMJ there(If anyone remembers key plays made by RMJ created turnover similar to what Moore did). Nothing wrong with that it is an important position on this defense and one less problem to have to worry about.
exactly, comparing a NB to a starting CB "over-all" is silly to start and not germaine to the thread.
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Originally Posted by
dabears54 exactly, comparing a NB to a starting CB "over-all" is silly to start and not germaine to the thread.
I'm actually gonna have to agree on this one. we're talking about DB's who pass rush. not DB's playing coverage, or their tackling skills.
Base your judgements on pass rush alone. or "blitzing" DB's.
and if you look, we have a damn good one.
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Originally Posted by
GrizzlyBear91 I'm actually gonna have to agree on this one. we're talking about DB's who pass rush. not DB's playing coverage, or their tackling skills.
Base your judgements on pass rush alone. or "blitzing" DB's.
and if you look, we have a damn good one.
as an overall package though he was a pretty good DB out there at the nickle. He didnt give up big plays and when the opportunity presented itself he took advantage of it. If you want to focus just on the pass rush part it looks like its just part of our system cause when RMJ and D Manning played NB we still had pretty good pressure from them when used that way.
If there was a guy we need to look to replace it is Jennings. He was pretty good all season long until the Packers exposed him. IMO that should be adressed cause it prob get worse.
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Originally Posted by
motownbear as an overall package though he was a pretty good DB out there at the nickle. He didnt give up big plays and when the opportunity presented itself he took advantage of it. If you want to focus just on the pass rush part it looks like its just part of our system cause when RMJ and D Manning played NB we still had pretty good pressure from them when used that way.
If there was a guy we need to look to replace it is Jennings. He was pretty good all season long until the Packers exposed him. IMO that should be adressed cause it prob get worse.
Yep, I'd guess the bears aren't thrilled either, we shall see how much in draft, F/A they need to fix the Problem,, as we have talked think we do have good depth in jennings/bowman/graham.. just any of them are question marks as a top starter
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Not to get TOO far off topic, but I agree about Jennings. with Tillman getting older and loosing a step we need a young pair of legs and preferably some height to keep pace with the calvin Johnson/ Larry fitzgeral's of the league.
Tillman dominated that #2 spot.
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