Thread: Liuget @ #23 or Sherrod @ #29 ? or ?.........

Originally Posted by motownbear

I dont see a scenario that has us moving up we are too stingy with draft picks.

I also dont see NO adding another first round 3 tech DT since they drafted one a few years ago.

Another thing I wouldnt doubt us trading a 4th rounder for Amobi Okoye if the opportunity presents itself. We have shown going after reclamation projects like trading for Gaines Adams. Okoye is onthe trade block when it will be allowed

If NO passes on him and Rams don't take him earlier he may fall to #29 and no need to move up. I'd like to have him but I'd also like to keep that third round pick. Not all that familiar with Okoye. Is that Christian Okoye's kid?

coming into the nfl as a 19 year old he wasnt fully developed but was all potential. He is only 23 and no major injuries that is why Im saying based on IF and it is a big IF they want a reclamation project there. Hell he is younger then when we drafted Dvorcheck lol so he can develop into this system.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

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I do not agree with your assessment of the free agent DT class as in my opinion, Cullen Jenkins, Brandon Mebane and Barry Cofield could all step in and do what we want them to do.

Said this to you a few times before and I'll say it again, we need UT not just a DT. Unless you want to see us get absolutely zero pressure up the middle again, you have to add a talented 3-technique immediately Jenkins was alright during his time in the 4-3, but he is well past his prime and the other two are NT prototypes. It's not about filling a position with a good player, it's about filling the right position with the right player.

Our only genuine option there is through the draft, where there are quite a few UT spects.

Originally Posted by lklrlolnlilklsox

Said this to you a few times before and I'll say it again, we need UT not just a DT. Unless you want to see us get absolutely zero pressure up the middle again, you have to add a talented 3-technique immediately Jenkins was alright during his time in the 4-3, but he is well past his prime and the other two are NT prototypes. It's not about filling a position with a good player, it's about filling the right position with the right player.

Our only genuine option there is through the draft, where there are quite a few UT spects.

0 pressure up the middle and we were still a dominant defense that shut down the Packers in 3 games, so I do not really care at this point.

You assume that players can not fill the 3 technique position, but I have faith that they can. All we need from the 3 technique is someone who disrupts the pocket. They do not need to get clean sacks like Tommie use to do and they do not need to be Warren Sapp. What they need to do is not allow a QB to step up to avoid our DEs.

I think Mebane can handle this and posted 5.5 sacks while playing the 3 technique. I also believe Cofield, who I know plays NT right now, can disrupt the pocket enough to function at the 3 technique.

I also believe that Austin and Nevis can fill the role. We are not desperate for a 3 technique tackle we have been good without one.

Originally Posted by lklrlolnlilklsox

Said this to you a few times before and I'll say it again, we need UT not just a DT. Unless you want to see us get absolutely zero pressure up the middle again, you have to add a talented 3-technique immediately Jenkins was alright during his time in the 4-3, but he is well past his prime and the other two are NT prototypes. It's not about filling a position with a good player, it's about filling the right position with the right player.

Our only genuine option there is through the draft, where there are quite a few UT spects.

Yes and thank you sox. I've been trying to impress that fact on anyone who cared to listen ever since this thread began.

There are two things we need get out of this draft. A DT who can play 3t this year and rotate with Melton. An OT who can play LT this year and compete with Williams for the spot (that is unless we want to see OMG back for another year).

We do not need an obvious RT who might also play OG if he can't hack RT early in the draft. We also do not need an OG at the top of the draft since we can score a good young one in FA and maybe a LT too. And we do not need another NT either in the draft or in FA. AA is likely to re-sign, Toeina can play nose and we've got Marcus Harrison and Tank Tyler in the mix.

Any scenario which doesn't address this isn't gonna help much.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

0 pressure up the middle and we were still a dominant defense that shut down the Packers in 3 games, so I do not really care at this point.

You assume that players can not fill the 3 technique position, but I have faith that they can. All we need from the 3 technique is someone who disrupts the pocket. They do not need to get clean sacks like Tommie use to do and they do not need to be Warren Sapp. What they need to do is not allow a QB to step up to avoid our DEs.

I think Mebane can handle this and posted 5.5 sacks while playing the 3 technique. I also believe Cofield, who I know plays NT right now, can disrupt the pocket enough to function at the 3 technique.

I also believe that Austin and Nevis can fill the role. We are not desperate for a 3 technique tackle we have been good without one.

Shut down???? We lost two of three including the NFC Championship Game. For the most part Rodgers had time to throw but better coverage and dropped passes in key spots kept us in the game, not an in your face pass rush. Let's face it Lovies defense is not that tough to pass the ball on when there isn't a hard inside rush. We've been talking about this as a need ever since the end of last season not just since Harris was cut. A young UT has been on the list for a while now.

We've got great DE's but even Peppers can be neutralized and there were times last year when he was. Now imagine how much more effective he and Izzy could be with a guy who can bring pressure and sacks like Tommie Harris did before his injuries. One great pass rusher is not gonna get it in this system. I really don't know why you resist this idea since both Lovie and Marinelli talk about it constantly.

You keep bringing up FA's who don't play a 3t position and keep insisting that they can if given the opportunity. Then why don't they and why aren't they being highly touted in FA since every team can use a pass rushing DT. Bull rush pressure from a good NT helps but it's the penetrator who causes the most trouble because he can't step up and away from the outside rush without running into the UT if he's shooting his gap. Matt Toeina is a good example of a NT type playing UT. You can't tell me that anyone of thse guys you list is gonna be any better at it than Toe. Sorry Windy but I ain't buyin' it.

You talk about guys who can function at UT like that's all that we need. It's not. We need a UT who can be a dominator against pass protection and you get those guys in the draft. No team with one would part with him unless they converted to 3-4 where he wouldn't be needed. Don't believe me? Then look at how much the Bears paid Harris and how long they held on to him hoping he'd recover his past glory. Most guys around here would have rather we kept Alex and sent Tommie packing.

And that's 'bout all I got to say about that.