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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    I'd guess if their interested they'd have a pretty good handle on where he'll go. If it's earlier than the late 4th trading up isn't all that expensive at that point.
    Yeah, but hard to tell interest later in draft... guess we shall see

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    Here's the latest draft analysis from Pat Kirwan on this years LB's. With the exception of a few top tier guys this group is pretty thin. Some good picks in mid to late rounds but no really dominating players besides Von Miller but several DE's may end up as 3-4 LB's.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/New...?story_id=7787

    April 25, 2011
    After intriguing top-tier players, linebacker draft class thin


    By: Pat Kirwan/NFL.com | Last Updated: 4/25/2011 11:32 PM



    The following story is the seventh of nine position previews in advance of the NFL Draft.
    The headliner in the linebacker class of 2011 is clearly Texas A&M's Von Miller. He is a smooth athlete with pass-rush skills, who can also cover just as well. He's a top-five selection.


    Von Miller

    After Miller, we might see one or two more outside linebackers in the first round. However, in general, this is not a very good year for premiere outside 'backers, and it's even worse for inside 'backers. There will be solid players drafted in Rounds 3 through 5 who will make teams and possibly start as rookies.


    With the steady rise of teams going to a 3-4 base defense, that puts an extra linebacker on the field. Look to the hybrid defensive end population for some players who might be listed as linemen but will convert to 3-4 outside 'backers. Ryan Kerrigan, Jabaal Sheard and Sam Acho are just a few of the potential crossovers. My guess is there will be about seven players drafted in the first 64 picks that teams will have the intention of playing at a linebacker position.

    Player with most upside
    North Carolina's Bruce Carter probably would have been a first-round pick if he didn't tear an ACL in December. Modern medicine will give him a great chance to regain his former athletic ability and maybe even improve his strength. He has natural linebacker skills and could easily return to the top of this class in a year or two. He might never catch Miller, but whoever takes him and is patient is going to get a terrific player.

    Biggest boom-or-bust prospect
    Martez Wilson is the speed linebacker from Illinois who looks much like Keith Bulluck. Wilson ran a 4.66-second 40-yard dash at 250 pounds, with a 36-inch vertical leap and 10-foot-4 broad jump. When you watch him on tape, Wilson flashes big-time plays, but he also looks stiff in space. Wilson does not always play like the athlete his measurables would suggest he should.

    My favorite sleeper(s)
    This is a sleeper draft for linebackers. Some team is going to take a guy in the fourth or fifth round, and hit it big. Two guys to keep an eye on because they are slated to go in those rounds are LSU's Kelvin Sheppard and Connecticut's Lawrence Wilson. Both players showed me plenty of potential at the Senior Bowl, that is if they are drafted to play in the right style defenses. Sheppard fits as a strong-side inside 'backer in a 3-4 defense. He is big and can take on a guard. He can call the defensive plays with effort and demonstrated an ability to diagnose plays. Wilson belongs in a 4-3 defense as a 'Will' linebacker. He's a run-and-hit guy who needs to play behind a defensive tackle so blockers can't get a shot at him. Wilson demonstrated very good coverage skills against backs and slot receivers.

    Players with most to prove
    Boston College's Mark Herzlich is a guy everyone in the country should be cheering for to make it. After the 2008 season, he was on course for a high first-round grade and then was diagnosed with cancer. He made it back to the field in 2010 in what some would call a miracle. He wasn't the same player he once was, which he has admitted to me, but he really is starting to regain some of what he once was as an athlete. I hope the team that drafts him has patience to let him fully recover because he could be a leader, as well as a very productive player. I have interviewed him three times about his story and how he attacked his disease, which would be enough for me to draft him. However, I'm not picking players, and he has to prove he can play in the NFL.

    Small-school prospect with a chance
    Keep an eye on Mario Harvey from Marshall. He will get a chance to play middle linebacker at some point. He's a run stuffer at close to 250 pounds. He was not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine, but neither were a dozen or more guys who will be drafted. He had 200-plus tackles, 28 tackles for a loss, 18 sacks, and six forced fumbles at Marshall. He starts out as a special teams player, and we will see where he goes from there.

    Debunking a myth
    Granted, colleges are all throwing the ball now more than ever, and you'd think linebackers would come to the NFL with better coverage skills than ever before. The truth is the young players still struggle in pass defense because of the quality of quarterbacks, the route-running abilities of the receivers and all the coverages teams play. It is still a struggle to get linebackers ready to defend the pass.

    Teams with the greatest need
    This is a tough year for the teams that desperately need linebackers, but teams still have to draft them somewhere in the selection process. Teams most likely to pick a linebacker include the Saints, Giants, Chargers, Cardinals, Ravens, Texans, Patriots, Buccaneers, Bears, Titans, and Lions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Players with most to prove
    Boston College's Mark Herzlich is a guy everyone in the country should be cheering for to make it. After the 2008 season, he was on course for a high first-round grade and then was diagnosed with cancer. He made it back to the field in 2010 in what some would call a miracle. He wasn't the same player he once was, which he has admitted to me, but he really is starting to regain some of what he once was as an athlete. I hope the team that drafts him has patience to let him fully recover because he could be a leader, as well as a very productive player. I have interviewed him three times about his story and how he attacked his disease, which would be enough for me to draft him. However, I'm not picking players, and he has to prove he can play in the NFL.
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...?module=HP_cp2

    Herzlich is the top udfa LB... is he worth a shot in camp? Been through a hell of a lot and come out the other side fighting and winning. There was something familiar in the video in that link the way his (9)4 jersey was flying through the air, making strips and acrobatic tackles. After all he's been through I'd like to see him catch on and succeed somewhere, why not here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornish View Post
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...?module=HP_cp2

    Herzlich is the top udfa LB... is he worth a shot in camp? Been through a hell of a lot and come out the other side fighting and winning. There was something familiar in the video in that link the way his (9)4 jersey was flying through the air, making strips and acrobatic tackles. After all he's been through I'd like to see him catch on and succeed somewhere, why not here?
    Wouldn't mind giving him a Camp shot... can't talk/sign with any of these guys unfort until the courts decide the next step,, all in limbo until then.. I'd have to gues bears have a 10-20 player list ready on "speed dial" when allowed to make contact : 0

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    You guys been reading my mind? When I saw that he didn't get picked I thought that maybe JA could talk to a friend who knew another friend who knew a friend of his friend and that friend could tell his closest friend to tell him not to sign anything until they talk to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    You guys been reading my mind? When I saw that he didn't get picked I thought that maybe JA could talk to a friend who knew another friend who knew a friend of his friend and that friend could tell his closest friend to tell him not to sign anything until they talk to him.
    LOL.. i'd bet within the next week or 2, we hear at least few complains or charges against a few teams for illegal contact or somethign we haven't thought of yet.. these teams never stop.. wonder if the first round players that actually did get playbooks- were "encouraged" to take a trip to Kinko's and make 6-7 copies and have a 'rookie breakfreast" with the rest of the picks and give them the playbook and whatever trainign schedule's they were able to give the first rounders friday.. now that can't have contact.. : )

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    BTW Herzlich, like many UDFA's got drafted by the UFL,, i'd say they quit the day the lockout ends:

    Ignored during the NFL draft, Boston College linebacker Mark Herzlich was selected in the 10th round of the UFL draft by the Omaha Nighthawks.
    He was selected with the second-to-last pick overall Monday night: 51st overall.
    Herzlich overcame a rare form of bone cancer called Ewing's sarcoma.
    He missed his entire junior season and returned last year and started every game, recording 65 tackles, four interceptions and two forced fumbles.
    "Thanking everyone for their support," Herzlich wrote on his Twitter account after going undrafted by the NFL. "tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. "I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit.
    "Great thing about a bad day is that you can thank God for the opportunity to wake up the next with a smile on your face Learned fun fact last night. 23 pro bowlers this year were undrafted."

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