Thread: Bears Likely To Trade Down [Tribune]

Originally Posted by soulman

Good viewpoint mo!!! In essence all we spent extra in the Cutler trade was the first last year. The first and third we gave up the previous year got us Cutler and Knox and both are worth at least that much.

The Gaines Adams trade cost us a second and he probably would have been worth that much had he lived and that's unfortunate for both the Bears and Adams family and friends. I think Marinelli could have made a good pass rusher out of him. But you're right it's no more loss than the failed pick of Dan Bauziun. It's just unfortunate that it happened that way but if it hadn't would we have ever taken the plunge with Peppers?

good question on the Peppers point. I think with how sparingly they used Adams he was going to just be a depth guy and really Wooten was the guy we probably dont see drafted if he lived. Peppers to me was a once in a lifetime chance at getting the perfect pass rusher for our system. I think he would be here regardless. You dont see DEs of his calibur hit FA until they are expired. We were in all in mode and I dont think they trusted Adams enough to turn the defense around

Originally Posted by motownbear

good question on the Peppers point. I think with how sparingly they used Adams he was going to just be a depth guy and really Wooten was the guy we probably dont see drafted if he lived. Peppers to me was a once in a lifetime chance at getting the perfect pass rusher for our system. I think he would be here regardless. You dont see DEs of his calibur hit FA until they are expired. We were in all in mode and I dont think they trusted Adams enough to turn the defense around

Yeah, we didn't pick up Peppers because of depth concernes, we picked him up because he was Peppers.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

To us he would be a reach, how do we know that there are not 10 teams that have a 1st round grade on him.

How do we know that the Bears and Mike Tice do not have him much higher on the boards then we do?

I agree in my rankings it would be a reach, but I will defer to Mike Tice in this instance as he has a better understanding of NFL OL play and development then all of us.

How often have you ever heard of him being a first round pick Windy? You spend an awful lot of time reading scouting reports and watching video clips of players best games and then posting your mocks. Where in all of that did you find justification for Carpenter being a good pick at #29? That's a reach I'd put on par with the drafting of John Thierry.

We don't know where or even if the Bears even have them on their board but I give Mike Tice more credit than trying to make Carpenter an immediate started at LT in lieu of just moving CWill out there. He stands a better chance with Williams.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

If Mike Tice came out and said that he could turn James Carpenter into a top 10 LT in the league and they needed to take him at 29 because they were worried about not getting him at 62, what would you say?

I'd say it's time to stage an intervention.

Originally Posted by soulman

How often have you ever heard of him being a first round pick Windy? You spend an awful lot of time reading scouting reports and watching video clips of players best games and then posting your mocks. Where in all of that did you find justification for Carpenter being a good pick at #29? That's a reach I'd put on par with the drafting of John Thierry.

We don't know where or even if the Bears even have them on their board but I give Mike Tice more credit than trying to make Carpenter an immediate started at LT in lieu of just moving CWill out there. He stands a better chance with Williams.

I am not advocating drafting Carpenter at 29.

I have seen nowhere where Carpenter is ranked as a 1st round pick.

But I have seen 0 NFL Teams Draft Boards and those are what matters.

I am not trying to be hung up on need. I am trying to say I trust in whatever Mike Tice wants to pick on the OL. If we took Carpenter at 29 instead of a guy like Muhammed Wilkerson I would be angry based on what I have seen, but I have no idea how other teams feel about players.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

I am not advocating drafting Carpenter at 29.

I have seen nowhere where Carpenter is ranked as a 1st round pick.

But I have seen 0 NFL Teams Draft Boards and those are what matters.

I am not trying to be hung up on need. I am trying to say I trust in whatever Mike Tice wants to pick on the OL. If we took Carpenter at 29 instead of a guy like Muhammed Wilkerson I would be angry based on what I have seen, but I have no idea how other teams feel about players.

Fair enough but if Carpenter is there I've also have to believe that Sherrod would be as well. There's not much of a decision between those two and if was Wilkerson I'd think it would be the same. Tice isn't gonna ask for an OT that rates far below others on the board in lieu of a DT.

Originally Posted by Dagan81

James Carpenter is a second-to-third round draft pick at best. He will not sniff the first round. I can see us drafting him in one of those two rounds IF we draft a DT and/or a CB before him. However, it would be asinine to think otherwise would happen.

This draft class has a lot of mid level OT talent that can play in the NFL but many aren't a sure thing at LT by any stretch of the imagination. It seems to me that past the top 3 or 4 OT's we can get as good at the end of two or in early three as we'd get late in one or early two.