Thread: Changing "O" in NFL 58% passing

but were those superbowl teams offenses ranked 20-32? That is where we are usually stuck at. I know we wont have a top 5 offense cause we dont invest in a top 5 offense. But is it too much to ask to get some decent play to be ranked 10-15? The defense needs some support it isnt going to do it all on its own. We lost to the Pack in the NFC champ game because of the offense.

Originally Posted by motownbear

but were those superbowl teams offenses ranked 20-32? That is where we are usually stuck at. I know we wont have a top 5 offense cause we dont invest in a top 5 offense. But is it too much to ask to get some decent play to be ranked 10-15? The defense needs some support it isnt going to do it all on its own. We lost to the Pack in the NFC champ game because of the offense.

pitts ranked 22nd and 24th, giants 17th ... and agree 100% would like and should be a 10-13 is where fine with.. just saying a top 5 "O" IS NOT NEEDED, even in this day and age and only ONE top "O" has won the Sb the last decade. and you could make just a smuch an argument the packer "D" not their "O" won the game for them(esp the last 3 quarters with the winnign td scored by thier "D" not O)...

Originally Posted by dabears54

disagree that the steelers didn't win their Superbowls with defense, same for Giants and even the packers "D" ranked better then their "O" in 2010, so that's 6 the last 10 years and can argue the pat's superbowl's as much their "D" as their ""O", esp when beat rams, it was their "D" shutting down the rams for that "W"( which would make it 8 of last 10 with "D") .. when the Pat's had their #1 "O" had high flying "O" they lost to the Giants ironically. So do not see where you getting "O" wins the superbowls.

And games like the san fran game in 2005, the packers game in 2007 and texans game 2007 clearly show the swirling winds at soldier still exist to this day and MUCH WORSE than those cities you name- guess we shall agree to disagree the winds ahve clamed down alot.. the HOF still shows the robbie gould FG knocked down and vasher's retunr of the wind knocked down Fg for a td.

and as my post above on he top "O"'s VS D"s shows whil may be "fun" to watch the top "O"'s , they aren't winning last 5 years at the end of the season

Never said that just an "O" wins the superbowl, I'm saying that a high powered potent offense combined with a decent defense is the ticket of the day. Gone are the days of a dominate defense and a mediocre offense winning. I will gladly settle for top 10 in both categories, I guess what I am saying is Chicago needs to get away from it's old traditional ways of investing heavily in the defense and relying on a mediocre offense to not lose games. I hope they start investing equally on the offensive side while we have in my opinion the most potent signal caller we have had in decades. And all those teams you mentioned got to the superbowl on the backs of their offenses just as much as their defense. Like I said the last teams to win a superbowl with a top rated defense and a mediocre offense were the 2000 Ravens and the 2002 Bucs. And yes the winds still swirl at Soldier field but no where near what they used to because of the redesign. The bottom line is I just want to see some better offense along with our normally very good defense much in the vain of what the Packers have done. We have 2/3 of the puzzle solved now it's time to fix the other 1/3 to make the whole.....

Originally Posted by motownbear

good thing we have invested so much into our passing game with no oline and no wrs lmfao we are always behind the times. All the rules support an offense and we do nothing to get it going. We are consistently at the bottom end of the league every season offensively

But DT is just as important a position as QB to the BEars.

Laugh.

what is your point?

Originally Posted by motownbear

what is your point?

That this is a QB league, they are the most important position on any team in the league.

And I am being scolded in another thread for saying that a QB, in our case Cutler, is more important to our success then any DT we could bring in.

I would say qb is the hardest of any position to find just look at the desperation some of these teams are in this offseason. And we will see that desperation with the reaches in the draft. But idk if I can pick one position and say it is the most important. If I was building my team my qb would come first. But you still need all the parts to make things work

Originally Posted by thekmann

Never said that just an "O" wins the superbowl, I'm saying that a high powered potent offense combined with a decent defense is the ticket of the day. Gone are the days of a dominate defense and a mediocre offense winning. I will gladly settle for top 10 in both categories, I guess what I am saying is Chicago needs to get away from it's old traditional ways of investing heavily in the defense and relying on a mediocre offense to not lose games. I hope they start investing equally on the offensive side while we have in my opinion the most potent signal caller we have had in decades. And all those teams you mentioned got to the superbowl on the backs of their offenses just as much as their defense. Like I said the last teams to win a superbowl with a top rated defense and a mediocre offense were the 2000 Ravens and the 2002 Bucs. And yes the winds still swirl at Soldier field but no where near what they used to because of the redesign. The bottom line is I just want to see some better offense along with our normally very good defense much in the vain of what the Packers have done. We have 2/3 of the puzzle solved now it's time to fix the other 1/3 to make the whole.....

if that was the case why hasn't the high powered o's been Winning Sb's?.. only ONCE has a top 5 "O" won a Sb the last decade, disagree with that.

And think with Cutler, forte hester, knox olsen and bennett they HAVE been investing in the "O" side the last few years to get that balance you would like, unfort it doesn't happen overnight or in 1 year and pitts was the top ated "D' in 2008 when won so yes a top rated "D' has won a SB and as said greenbay's "D" was ranked higehr than their "O" this year FWIW

Think we are not that far apart, i guess I just feel the "D" still dominates the playoff game nd the numbers bck it up- But we both agree the bears "O" still needs work and more balance

Originally Posted by dabears54

if that was the case why hasn't the high powered o's been Winning Sb's?.. only ONCE has a top 5 "O" won a Sb the last decade, disagree with that.

And think with Cutler, forte hester, knox olsen and bennett they HAVE been investing in the "O" side the last few years to get that balance you would like, unfort it doesn't happen overnight or in 1 year and pitts was the top ated "D' in 2008 when won so yes a top rated "D' has won a SB and as said greenbay's "D" was ranked higehr than their "O" this year FWIW

Think we are not that far apart, i guess I just feel the "D" still dominates the playoff game nd the numbers bck it up- But we both agree the bears "O" still needs work and more balance

Yeah were not far off DB it's just that the timetable for the Bears to fix their offense is immediate as in this year, next year at the latest because their core defensive players are all aging and their once stellar play will diminish and then we will no longer have that dominate "D" we have been used to seeing. Then our balance will shift and we will have a top ten "O" and a rebuilding "D". This is the dilemma the Bears are in due to piss poor drafting over the years. I fully understand that the draft is a hit and miss scenario but you have to admit the total disregard Angelo and company have had for the OL over defensive busts such as Bazuin, Okwo, Gilbert etc. You cannot consistently wait until the 6th or 7th round to pick an OL hoping for a gem, nor can you rely on another teams castoff in FA like Orlando Pace for a quick fix, that is not the recipe for a successful outcome as evidenced by where the team finds itself now. If Angelo and company do not draft at least one offensive lineman with the first 3 picks in this years draft he will set this team back for years IMHO.