Thread: Bears draft positional analysis: Def. tackles

Still holding out the hope tht fades by the day liuget will fall to us- but doesn't seem likely, but hink wilderson is a ore realistic option and be happy with him at #29, if all the top OT's are gone. wouldn't reach for the next bunch at #29, because think not much difference and either a trade down to mid 40's or even waiting will net you one of the nevis,paea or austin bunch

Originally Posted by dabears54

Still holding out the hope tht fades by the day liuget will fall to us- but doesn't seem likely, but hink wilderson is a ore realistic option and be happy with him at #29, if all the top OT's are gone. wouldn't reach for the next bunch at #29, because think not much difference and either a trade down to mid 40's or even waiting will net you one of the nevis,paea or austin bunch

I'd agree with you on this. The chances of Liuget making it past the Rams @ #14 or the Chiefs @ #21 are poor and if both of them pass we still have the Colts @ #22 unless they sign Tommie Harris as has been rumored. Atlanta a few picks ahead of us @ #27 may also have an interest in him. Realistically the only team we could afford to move ahead of is Atlanta. Based on all of this I'd say the chances of him making it to #29 are less than 20%.

So who becomes the first alternative? I'd feel very comfortable with Wilkerson at #29 if Carimi is off the board too. I'd much rather take Wilkerson than any remaining OT at that spot. If we pass and trade down I'd more than likely take Austin ahead of Paea who would then become the third alternative early in the second.

I'd only go with guys like Nevis or McClain at the bottom of two if we do take an OT at #29.

Originally Posted by soulman

I'd agree with you on this. The chances of Liuget making it past the Rams @ #14 or the Chiefs @ #21 are poor and if both of them pass we still have the Colts @ #22 unless they sign Tommie Harris as has been rumored. Atlanta a few picks ahead of us @ #27 may also have an interest in him. Realistically the only team we could afford to move ahead of is Atlanta. Based on all of this I'd say the chances of him making it to #29 are less than 20%.

So who becomes the first alternative? I'd feel very comfortable with Wilkerson at #29 if Carimi is off the board too. I'd much rather take Wilkerson than any remaining OT at that spot. If we pass and trade down I'd more than likely take Austin ahead of Paea who would then become the third alternative early in the second.

I'd only go with guys like Nevis or McClain at the bottom of two if we do take an OT at #29.

i'm hoping for wilkerson and if not guess sherrod,but as said not sold on him. "IF" we can trade down, going for austin in mid 40's would be fine by me also

Originally Posted by dabears54

i'm hoping for wilkerson and if not guess sherrod,but as said not sold on him. "IF" we can trade down, going for austin in mid 40's would be fine by me also

Well if surety of success overcomes other concerns I think Wilkerson is the better choice at #29. I'm beggining to think these guys from smaller programs are some of the better values in the early rounds of this draft. Downgraded somewhat because because of the level of their competition but more driven to succeed in the NFL because of it.

If we drafted Wilkerson in the first and could get Ijalana in two I'd feel that we made two really good choices with less risk invloved than some of the guys from bigger programs.

Originally Posted by soulman

Well if surety of success overcomes other concerns I think Wilkerson is the better choice at #29. I'm beggining to think these guys from smaller programs are some of the better values in the early rounds of this draft. Downgraded somewhat because because of the level of their competition but more driven to succeed in the NFL because of it.

If we drafted Wilkerson in the first and could get Ijalana in two I'd feel that we made two really good choices with less risk invloved than some of the guys from bigger programs.

agreed, those 2 would be ideal for m also, if the big namesall gone at 29 going to be a nailbiter at 29, if names gone and we try and trade down and see if we can find a partner..the more research wilkerson more like him at 29, if there

Best of the best at DT

Biggest hitter: Corey Liuget, Illinois. Liuget is an explosive athlete who closes on the ballcarrier in a flash and has consistently shown the ability to deliver a hard hit when he makes the tackle.
Best pass rusher: Nick Fairley, Auburn. Fairley has consistently shown the explosiveness, hand use and natural pass rush skill to pressure the quarterback. He also has the strength to jolt and drive the offensive lineman backward when he bull rushes aggressively.
Best against the run: Dareus. Dareus uses great technique against run blocks and has shown the ability to shed blocks easily and bring down the ballcarrier.
Best in pursuit: Liuget. He has the rare ability to explode from his stance, accelerate through the gap and close on the ballcarrier on the opposite side of the line of scrimmage.
Sleeper: Mike Blanc, Auburn. Blanc is an intriguing prospect because he consistently produced even though he wasn’t a full-time starter. He displayed the quickness, athleticism and strength that NFL teams are always looking for.


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Originally Posted by dabears54

And with a projected 6-9 De's going in first ALSO if happened might have top Dt or Ot fall to us, somethign has to give

Bears draft positional analysis: DE


Prized free agent pick-up Julius Peppers proved to be worth the hefty investment during his first season in a Chicago Bears uniform. Although Peppers finished with a modest eight sacks, opponents were forced to double-team and chip the perennial Pro Bowler on almost every snap, which freed up Israel Idonije on the other side. But even though Idonije is coming off a career year, the Bears could use another body to jump in the rotation at defensive end.

Here's a quick look at our top 20 at the defensive end spot, and what round they're projected to be taken:


NFL DRAFT: DEFENSIVE ENDS

Rank Player School Height Weight Proj. Round
1.Robert Quinn North Carolina 6-4 265 1
2.Cameron Jordan California 6-4 287 1
3.J.J. Watt Wisconsin6-5 290 1
4.Adrian Clayborn Iowa 6-3 281 1
5.Ryan Kerrigan Purdue6-4 267 1
6.Da'Quan Bowers Clemson 6-3 280 1
7.Aldon Smith Missouri 6-4 263 1-2
8. Cameron Heyward Ohio State 6-5 294 1-2
9.Jabaal Sheard Pittsburgh 6-3 264 2
10.Allen Bailey Miami 6-3 285 2-3

The next 10: 11. Christian Ballard, Iowa, 6-4, 283; 12. Pierre Allen, Nebraska, 6-4, 273; 13. Pernell McPhee, Mississippi State, 6-3, 278; 14. Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh, 6-5, 264; 15. Ugo Chinasa, Oklahoma State, 6-5, 264; 16. Cliff Matthews, South Carolina, 6-4, 257; 17. Brandon Bair, Oregon, 6-6, 276; 18. Ricky Elmore, Arizona, 6-5, 255; 19. Eddie Jones, Texas, 6-2, 258; 20. Markus White, Florida State, 6-4, 266.

Position grade: A

Analysis: It's going to be awfully tough for the Bears to pass up taking at least one defensive end out of this stellar group. The organization used a fourth-round pick on Corey Wootton in 2010, but the Northwestern product was unable to stay in the rotation. Plus, there's no guarantee Idonije will have the same type of impact or numbers opposite Peppers the second time around. The Bears supposed defense end of the future, Mark Anderson, was released mid-season after failing to secure a starting job despite numerous opportunities.

Premiere pass rushers are tough to find, and if the pre-draft projections are any indication, the 2011 draft class is already being coined "the year of the rush end." The Bears need to get younger at the position, and what better way to start than selecting an end in one of the three opening rounds.

As nice as this sounds unfortunately this is one year where we can't really afford to invest in the future of the DE position. Our needs for DT's, OT's, and OG's/C's outweigh that. This is one of the reasons that I'm getting a lot more interested in Wilkerson. He has the tools to play both inside and on the edge and that kind of flexibility is rare and makes him an incredible value for us at #29.

If Melton turns out to be an outstanding 3t DT Wilkerson could eventually be used at DE as Izzy and Peppers performance begins to decline and it that never happens we have a good 3t DT for the next 10 years barring injury. He's the straddle pick who can serve at both positions depending on our highest need.

Despite our need for a LT Wilkerson is the smarter pick in one since we can draft similar OT's in the second but there is no one like Wilkerson around in the late second. We'd be down to undersized DT's like Nevis and McClain who wouldnt be able to play DE.

Originally Posted by soulman

As nice as this sounds unfortunately this is one year where we can't really afford to invest in the future of the DE position. Our needs for DT's, OT's, and OG's/C's outweigh that. This is one of the reasons that I'm getting a lot more interested in Wilkerson. He has the tools to play both inside and on the edge and that kind of flexibility is rare and makes him an incredible value for us at #29.

If Melton turns out to be an outstanding 3t DT Wilkerson could eventually be used at DE as Izzy and Peppers performance begins to decline and it that never happens we have a good 3t DT for the next 10 years barring injury. He's the straddle pick who can serve at both positions depending on our highest need.

Despite our need for a LT Wilkerson is the smarter pick in one since we can draft similar OT's in the second but there is no one like Wilkerson around in the late second. We'd be down to undersized DT's like Nevis and McClain who wouldnt be able to play DE.

Yeah do not think in any shape or form, we are going DE at #29.. just showing with all the DE's -hopefully a Dt does fall