Thread: Angelo: Bears' draft plan includes quarterbac

Originally Posted by Dagan81

There are two ways that we wind up with Marvin Austin. One is with the 29th pick in the first round. I can totally see that happening before we actually get Muhammad Wilkerson to be totally honest with you. The second way we get him is through trading down into the second round. I think that we can kill two birds with one stone (draft Ijalana AND Austin) by doing just that.

I'd love a draft that got us Wilkerson or Austin and Ijalana with our first two picks. We all know that JA would kill to get Liuget but I don't think we even get close. He'll be gone by the early 20's at the latest based on what I can see. If Austin wasn't saddled with those character issues he'd be next in line because he's more a pure 3t DT than Wilkerson. So it's those character issues that are limiting him and not his talent and/or upside.

We know that the Bears spent a considerable amount of time working the guy out and interviewing him so by this time they must have formed a solid opinion of him. Either what JA says is true and they aren't worried about character issues enough to pass on his talent or they are concerned enough to pass on him.

If it's thumbs up it's just a chess match with 31 other teams to figure out where to grab him. If it's thumbs down then maybe spreading some positive misinformation send the guys stock upwards enough that he's taken before #29 and as a result someone else we want, such as Wilkerson, falls to us at #29.

When I take the pulse of what's being said and done I'd be willing to bet the WRJ takes the DT first, either at #29 or on a trade down to the early 2nd, and then takes his OT in late two or maybe trades up a little if there's a guy he doesn't want to risk losing.

If he wants flexibility out of that lineman then Cannon, Frankin, and Ijalana should top his list but of those three Ijalans is the only one who I think has a prayer of ever playing LT.

Originally Posted by soulman

Glad to see that someone came forth with the truth behind the Todd Collins signing. It had a lot more to do with Martz's whining for a vet than anything else. Take away Collins and leave Hanie as the #2 getting by with LeFevour until Hanie got healthy and we don't have a hole to fill at #3 QB this year.

I can't see using a pick for one since we've already got Gutierrez on the roster. There should be UDFA QB's like Scott Tolzien and Enderle out there after the draft.

What the hell are you talking about? It had to do with a last second scramble and signing the fourth choice because he was the first guy that didn't chose the UFL first.
Whoever we signed when Hanie got hurt, had to have some knowledge of the playbook, because they had 2 weeks to get ready for the season opener. And being that Jay got pulled from two preseason games because they couldn't protect him, odds were good that #2 QB was going to come in handy.
Am I the only one that remembers Collins being plan J????

Originally Posted by soulman

I'd love a draft that got us Wilkerson or Austin and Ijalana with our first two picks. We all know that JA would kill to get Liuget but I don't think we even get close. He'll be gone by the early 20's at the latest based on what I can see. If Austin wasn't saddled with those character issues he'd be next in line because he's more a pure 3t DT than Wilkerson. So it's those character issues that are limiting him and not his talent and/or upside.

We know that the Bears spent a considerable amount of time working the guy out and interviewing him so by this time they must have formed a solid opinion of him. Either what JA says is true and they aren't worried about character issues enough to pass on his talent or they are concerned enough to pass on him.

If it's thumbs up it's just a chess match with 31 other teams to figure out where to grab him. If it's thumbs down then maybe spreading some positive misinformation send the guys stock upwards enough that he's taken before #29 and as a result someone else we want, such as Wilkerson, falls to us at #29.

When I take the pulse of what's being said and done I'd be willing to bet the WRJ takes the DT first, either at #29 or on a trade down to the early 2nd, and then takes his OT in late two or maybe trades up a little if there's a guy he doesn't want to risk losing.

If he wants flexibility out of that lineman then Cannon, Frankin, and Ijalana should top his list but of those three Ijalans is the only one who I think has a prayer of ever playing LT.

Agreed that of Cannon, Franklin and Ijalana only Ijalana has a shot of playing LT.

In the 2nd round Carpenter and Ijalana are the only guys that I would think about putting in that position.

I am starting to realize that we are either in love with Austin, what I am leaning towards, or we absolutely hate him. I think Jerry has a couple of OLmen that top his list [Carimi, Pouncey and Costanzo] and if they are all gone like I think they will be he will move onto his DT group [Liuget, Austin, Wilkerson].

In the meantime he will keep his trade down targets in the back of his mind just in case [Cannon, Paea, Franklin].

In the end I am going to guess that Jerry trades down into the 2nd looking for Austin and willing to settle on Cannon.

Originally Posted by GlobeOfFrogs

What the hell are you talking about? It had to do with a last second scramble and signing the fourth choice because he was the first guy that didn't chose the UFL first.
Whoever we signed when Hanie got hurt, had to have some knowledge of the playbook, because they had 2 weeks to get ready for the season opener. And being that Jay got pulled from two preseason games because they couldn't protect him, odds were good that #2 QB was going to come in handy.
Am I the only one that remembers Collins being plan J????

I remember Jay Cutler taking a beating in preseason vs those vanilla defenses. Who would be dumb enough to play for a team that lead the league in sacks?

Originally Posted by soulman

JA is the consumate smoke screen man. He's ready to go into his "War Room Jerry" phase about now so anything he says can be taken with a grain of salt. Personally I think the truth is more like;

Sherrod doesn't rate a first round pick so I hope like hell he's not the only choice left to us at #29 because I won't reach for him. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in the second though so I might trade down and still get him.

If we take an OT who also projects at OG then we know that he'll start somewhere for us this year. I sure hope that Carimi get close to us. I might even trade up a notch or two to get him. If not then a guy like Ijalana really interests me 320 lbs, very athletic, can play inside or out (which is why I'm not mentioning him) and that Cannon kid would make Mike Tice happy. He wants size, I'll give him size but he'll have to monitor his weight. Those fat boys can over do it with a knife and fork in their hands.

Marvin Austin, shhhhhhhh!!! We like the kid, he could be as good as Liuget or better but we don't like his attitude or where his head is at. He's got a lot of prima donna in him and I don't want to replace our departing prima donna with a new one. If Wilkerson goes before us we may have to take a chance on him anyway and hope that some of Lovie's wholesomeness will rub off on him. Rod's gonna have his hands full with him but if anyone can make him great Rod can.

Yeha hard to tell what's the smokescreen and what's real.. maybe they legit interest in austin, or maybe after the interviews they do not- but want others that may have an interest calling bears to trade..its like indy/ne yalking to all the qb's.. do not think either is taking a qb in first, but do think they want to judge how much other's might want them, so can get the most ina trade down scenrio

One league source tells the Chicago Sun-Times the Bears have done "plenty of research" on Pitt WR Jonathan Baldwin.

This news comes just a day after GM Jerry Angelo said he didn't want to "overrate the position." Angelo also suggested the Bears won't find anybody to "fit the definition" of a big receiver in the late-first or early-second round. We smell a smokescreen. At 6-foot-4 and 228 pounds with 4.40 speed, Baldwin fits Angelo's need.

Originally Posted by WindyCity

One league source tells the Chicago Sun-Times the Bears have done "plenty of research" on Pitt WR Jonathan Baldwin.

This news comes just a day after GM Jerry Angelo said he didn't want to "overrate the position." Angelo also suggested the Bears won't find anybody to "fit the definition" of a big receiver in the late-first or early-second round. We smell a smokescreen. At 6-foot-4 and 228 pounds with 4.40 speed, Baldwin fits Angelo's need.

I agree that Jonathan Baldwin would physically fit what we need and I would not be upset if we drafted him, because we need someone that fits his mold.

Like Marvin Austin we are going to need to do a ton of research on him and make sure that he will check out.

I like Baldwin allot. If we took him in the first though idk how that makes us better with him having to learn a complicated system on short notice and holes on dline,oline and secondary. WR is a legit need no matter how many people here really believe our lumps of coal are all world. Just timing of it sucks right now with all the uncertainty in the nfl

Originally Posted by WindyCity

One league source tells the Chicago Sun-Times the Bears have done "plenty of research" on Pitt WR Jonathan Baldwin.

This news comes just a day after GM Jerry Angelo said he didn't want to "overrate the position." Angelo also suggested the Bears won't find anybody to "fit the definition" of a big receiver in the late-first or early-second round. We smell a smokescreen. At 6-foot-4 and 228 pounds with 4.40 speed, Baldwin fits Angelo's need.

i don't smell a smokescreen.. We ahve bigger needs at OT/DT and can get a player much more likely to contribute in 2011 in the first, than going with baldwin( who has concerns on and off field) at 29.. just not worth the risk ther, but of course you still do the Due diligence on it.. just can't beleive after the due diligence we would risk but.. but if by some strange luck he fell to 62,, then "maybe" can see it..