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Originally Posted by
GlobeOfFrogs 
I know he was extended last season as he had a contract expire last year. I can't find for how long though.
It was through 2011. Here's another article that confirms the first and there are several more sites reporting the same. Certainly Toub deserves a deal equivalent to the top 10 ST co-ordinators in the league. To me he's a fixture we don't want to lose. Some even see him as a head coach someday. It's puzzling to me why they wouldn't reward him well given his success. Guess we'll just have to wait for better news.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...with-the-bears
BBAO: Dave Toub's future with the Bears
April, 25, 2011 Apr 25
7:30
AM ET
By Kevin Seifert
We're Black and Blue All Over:
We spent considerable time this offseason discussing the Chicago Bears' refusal to grant offensive line coach Mike Tice permission to interview for the Tennessee Titans' offensive coordinator job. Shortly thereafter, the Bears adjusted Tice's contract to add another year and, presumably, more money.
Mike Mulligan of the Chicago Sun-Times notes that the Bears didn't have as much success locking up another highly regarded assistant coach. Special teams coordinator Dave Toub turned down a contract extension because the Bears offered him what a source told Mulligan was a "minimal raise" that would not have put him among the top 10 highest-paid special teams coaches in the NFL.
I know no one wants to hear NFL coaches or players pleading poverty given their six-figure salaries, and it should be noted that Toub has made no public statement of dissatisfaction. The Bears certainly weren't obligated to give Toub a raise at a time of economic uncertainty caused by the lockout.
But as we always like to say, action and inaction have consequences. In this case, Toub's contract will expire after the 2011 season, making him eligible to leave the organization for another opportunity if he wants.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. 
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Originally Posted by
soulman Let's apply some logic to this. If he was made an offer (true or false) and it's true that he turned it down then it was more than likely less than he thought he deserved and the article most likely correct. If it's false that it was even offered we can stop the discussion right here.
Can never figure out a motive for writers posting false info like this. What purpose does it serve?
or he turned it down because he wants to move up in the Coaching ranks, and didn't want the bears controlling( ala tice) who he could talk to next year.. and its not false stuff- just a false conclusion based on insufficnet data..
FWIW last week briggs ran a story on ryan mallett, that he missed carolina panthers team meeting because out partying too late the night before, and a reason teams avoiding him.. turned out he wasn't out late, in room by 10:00am and had a case of food poieneing on why skipped the morning workout- but had talked with the OC in the AM anyway, just didn't do the workout.. Another of those "rumors"- "mallet missed a meeting".. that briggs incorectly made the wrong comclusion it was becuase out late the night before partying
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, and it should be noted that Toub has made no public statement of dissatisfaction.
And soul ,as that articles states. maybe it wasn't money, but toub wanting to be a HC someone where else why he wouldn't want to signed an extension?.. until hear directly from toub or bears, not willing to take a reporters 'opinion" as fact or the 'end all" of the situation
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and how about the fact this phase of the game is being rendered useless by the new rules............Just saying you have to adapt your team to new rules. Sort of like how we havent adapted on offense with our 0 investment policy even though the rules support the offense. I dont think it matter as much anymore how good a STC you have invest elsewhere please
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Originally Posted by
motownbear and how about the fact this phase of the game is being rendered useless by the new rules............Just saying you have to adapt your team to new rules. Sort of like how we havent adapted on offense with our 0 investment policy even though the rules support the offense. I dont think it matter as much anymore how good a STC you have invest elsewhere please
its a good point motown, but will say they could just as easily after 2011, change BACK to the 30 next year( if its unpopular no more kickbacks) and thus making toub important again,, I see what you are saying, but do not think a rule change should dictate paying a coach, eso a new rule that may not stick- but you may be right in your reasoning. Still think we need to hear from bears or toub before jumping to these conclusions though..
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Originally Posted by
motownbear and how about the fact this phase of the game is being rendered useless by the new rules............Just saying you have to adapt your team to new rules. Sort of like how we havent adapted on offense with our 0 investment policy even though the rules support the offense. I dont think it matter as much anymore how good a STC you have invest elsewhere please
That's only one of five phases of special teams.
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Originally Posted by
dabears54 or he turned it down because he wants to move up in the Coaching ranks, and didn't want the bears controlling( ala tice) who he could talk to next year.. and its not false stuff- just a false conclusion based on insufficnet data..
FWIW last week briggs ran a story on ryan mallett, that he missed carolina panthers team meeting because out partying too late the night before, and a reason teams avoiding him.. turned out he wasn't out late, in room by 10:00am and had a case of food poieneing on why skipped the morning workout- but had talked with the OC in the AM anyway, just didn't do the workout.. Another of those "rumors"- "mallet missed a meeting".. that briggs incorectly made the wrong comclusion it was becuase out late the night before partying
Maybe I phrased my post incorrectly but yes, I agree, it draws false conclusions but only if he is searching actively for a HC position. Since that's not mentioned I only based my logic and what was mentioned.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Originally Posted by
dabears54 , and it should be noted that Toub has made no public statement of dissatisfaction.
And soul ,as that articles states. maybe it wasn't money, but toub wanting to be a HC someone where else why he wouldn't want to signed an extension?.. until hear directly from toub or bears, not willing to take a reporters 'opinion" as fact or the 'end all" of the situation
That he didn't make a public statement means little or nothing. Like many he doesn't want to negotiate in the press. Even if he signed an extension and was offered a HC position he would customarily be released from his contract since that represents a move to a higher coaching postion. I don't think that's a valid arguement.
In Tice's case the offer was made too late in the process for the Bears to have had enough opportunity to replace him with an equal. Not exactly the same circumstances.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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Originally Posted by
soulman Maybe I phrased my post incorrectly but yes, I agree, it draws false conclusions but only if he is searching actively for a HC position. Since that's not mentioned I only based my logic and what was mentioned.
And with mully making up even more stuff to try the 'cheap routine" with martz today, without ANYTHING behind it.. just looks more and more like "pot stirring" from a sumtimes writer( the old moronatti school of journalism), than anything logical, esp with toub, martz and bears saying nothing.
And I was just giving ONE reason for not signing another contract, maybe want to go back to college?, maybe just after a decade here, wants a different challenge?, maybe just likes the idea of having*ALL* options open to him, knowing he is one of the top ST coaches so getting a job not a corncern as it would be for many- including resignign with bears( sort of liek how walter jones used to only do one year deals with seattle for many years).. or just wants a "biddng war" for his services in 2012, instead of a 1yr offer from bears-just saying didn't like the 'conclusion" because he didn't resign, automatically means he wasn't offered a market contract and bears 'cheap' nonsense... we need more info before making ANY real conclusion, a could be a myriad of reasons...
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Originally Posted by
dabears54 And with mully making up even more stuff to try the 'cheap routine" with martz today, without ANYTHING behind it.. just looks more and more like "pot stirring" from a sumtimes writer( the old moronatti school of journalism), than anything logical, esp with toub, martz and bears saying nothing.
And I was just giving ONE reason for not signing another contract, maybe want to go back to college?, maybe just after a decade here, wants a different challenge?, maybe just likes the idea of having*ALL* options open to him, knowing he is one of the top ST coaches so getting a job not a corncern as it would be for many- including resignign with bears( sort of liek how walter jones used to only do one year deals with seattle for many years).. just saying didn't like the 'conclusion" because he didn't resign, automatically means he wasn't offered a market contract and bears 'cheap' nonsense... we need more info before making ANY real conclusion, a could be a myriad of reasons...
Bears coverage in the SunTimes, including Mulligan, sucks. They have never been a pro Bears paper and Mulligan is just today's version of Jay Moron-atti. A trouble making henchman and little more.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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