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    Lowballing Bears’ Dave Toub is a risky decisi

    first i heardtoub turned down an extension..



    Lowballing Bears’ Dave Toub is a risky decision

    By Mike Mulligan mmulligan@suntimes.com .hideTime { DISPLAY: none}Apr 25, 2011 02:10AM

    There has been just one consistent unit in the Bears’ universe during the Jerry Angelo era and throughout Lovie Smith’s reign as coach. The defense has battled its ups and downs. The offense has mostly sputtered. But special teams has been as constant as Polaris, the North Star.

    Suddenly, however, a combination of factors have the Bears on the verge of veering dangerously off course. From a new kickoff rule expected to rob the team of a distinct advantage, to the possible free-agent departure of nearly every core special-teams player, to word that coordinator Dave Toub turned down a contract extension, there simply is no good news coming from the brightest star in the Bears’ constellation.

    Toub has done nothing but succeed with the Bears. He’s widely regarded as one of the best special-teams coordinators in the NFL, as evidenced by yearly production, including an average rating of No. 4 overall in the last five years, according to a rating scale created by Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News.

    Yet in a league that saw a shattering of the pay scale in the offseason with the 49ers’ hiring of Brad Seely as the first million-dollar special-teams coordinator, why wasn’t Toub ­offered more than what was called “a minimal raise’’ by one league source?
    Other teams see the value

    Seely was given a title of ­“assistant head coach.’’ The Ravens’ Jerry Rosburg holds the same designation. Are the Harbaugh brothers the only head coaches to see the value of special teams? Hardly. The Eagles’ ­Bobby April, the Jets’ Mike Westhoff, the Cowboys’ Joe DeCamillis and Rosburg all make in the neighborhood of $800,000 a year.

    Why would the Bears be content to lowball Toub instead of putting him among the top 10 paid coaches at his position? They can put on the poor-mouth and plead poverty all they want, but fiscal restraint is only going to cost them in the long run. Toub and the Falcons’ Keith Armstrong, a former Bears special-teams coordinator, are believed to be the only regarded special-teams coaches on the open market next year.

    In a league in which plenty of teams opted not to fire head coaches after last season to ­ensure some continuity in lieu of the lockout, there should be ­plenty of job openings next ­offseason. Toub surely will get paid on the open market.

    A rebuilding job
    Toub deserves a raise for having to deal with the job in front of him. The Bears are looking at a total rebuilding project on special teams. Kick returner Danieal ­Manning, punter Brad Maynard and just about everybody who made a special-teams tackle in 2010 has a foot out the door. Once the labor dispute is resolved, the collection of unrestricted free agents will include coverage ace Corey Graham (25 tackles), Brian Iwuh (18), Garrett Wolfe (18), Rashied Davis (16), Rod Wilson (11) and Josh Bullocks (10). In other words, the team’s top six special-teams tacklers.

    To put it another way, the punt unit that started the majority of games last year has two ­players remaining from the 11 who lined up — long snapper ­Patrick ­Mannelly and safety Major Wright. Moreover, some of the younger players who ­contributed on a couple different areas of ­special teams, guys such as Wright and Henry Melton, who made six tackles each, project into the starting lineup, which will severely limit their ­availability.

    The rebuilding process will be complicated by the NFL’s decision to introduce a new rule that moves the ball from the 30- to the 35-yard line on kickoffs. Nobody is quite sure just how many touchbacks the new rule will create. But it is bound to be a negative for a team such as the Bears that can employ explosive return men such as Manning, if he is back, and Devin Hester and Johnny Knox, provided they are not overloaded at receiver.
    What would the Bears have looked like over the last decade without the decided advantage of excellent field position? Here’s hoping we never find out.

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    Spin this anyway you want, but this is case to call the Bears cheap.

    He is the best at his job, so pay him like the best damn it!

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    with the new kickoff rules are we really scared about losing toub?

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    There is no way to justify NOT paying him like the top ST co-ordinator in the league. What in the hell are they thinking? Lovie and JA have finally built what I believe is one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL and Toub has as much right to claim credit for the Bears recent success as any coach on the team.

    Knock this $hit off Jerry, in the words of John Malkovich in Rounders, "pay dot man his mawney".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Benjamin View Post
    Spin this anyway you want, but this is case to call the Bears cheap.

    He is the best at his job, so pay him like the best damn it!
    well we DO NOT KNOW if they low balled him at all actually..all we have is the usual "anonymous source from league" saying they low balled him.. until hear it from toub not sure i'd put much faith in this.. would not be the first or last time an "anomymous source' was wrong.. ie an anonymous soruce said culte and urlacher got ina fight when never happened.. that the source isn't even from bears makes me even mroe wary..

    now if its true, they did lowball them then agree 100% being cheap.. but until comes from beas ot toub.. not as usually happens here, immediately killing bears only to retract from it in a few days ala the cutler stuff in january... just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears54 View Post
    well we DO NOT KNOW if they low balled him at all actually..all we have is the usual "anonymous source from league" saying they low balled him.. until hear it from toub not sure i'd put much faith in this.. would not be the first or last time an "anomymous source' was wrong.. ie an anonymous soruce said culte and urlacher got ina fight when never happened.. that the source isn't even from bears makes me even mroe wary..

    now if its true, they did lowball them then agree 100% being cheap.. but until comes from beas ot toub.. not as usually happens here, immediately killing bears only to retract from it in a few days ala the cutler stuff in january... just saying
    Let's apply some logic to this. If he was made an offer (true or false) and it's true that he turned it down then it was more than likely less than he thought he deserved and the article most likely correct. If it's false that it was even offered we can stop the discussion right here.

    Can never figure out a motive for writers posting false info like this. What purpose does it serve?
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    Firt question you want answered is how long is Toub under contract? If it effects the 2011 season then we may have a concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobeOfFrogs View Post
    Firt question you want answered is how long is Toub under contract? If it effects the 2011 season then we may have a concern.
    Probably through 2011 since it was spoken of as an extension. That's where Tice was at when the offered him an extension through 2012.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Probably through 2011 since it was spoken of as an extension. That's where Tice was at when the offered him an extension through 2012.
    I know he was extended last season as he had a contract expire last year. I can't find for how long though.

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