Thread: Mullin's best bears Top three QB's-who ya got

Originally Posted by Henry Burris

No way any of them would be stars today. Babe ruth was 230 something and fat. He wouldnt make a triple a team today. They were good for their time, but with workout routines and medicine, surgery and nutrition the way it is, thy simply would not be. Like soulman said, different eras...but to say 4 championships in 6 years is amazing, well, he wasnt the most important cog, and if he had an equivelant, it'd be terry bradshaw, a qb who happened to be on the right team.. anyhoo, thats just my opinion, and if we had any real success at qb, he wouldnt even be in the discussion.

and that's my point henry- ruth wouldn't be "fat" in today's game - he would have had trainer's personal chef's etc and e would ahve been a buff 215 hitting machine.. and really do no gt the "not an important gog" stuff... Sid and hennessy invetned the "T-formation" and he was BY FAR THE MOST IMPRTANT GOG in that, he was the first Qb that ahd to read a "D" decide to pass or throw the ball, and w/o his football smarts and reading the "D", the "t-formation" fails miserbly( and for proof of that look at the non titles won for 15 years afte side retired, when other Qb's tried running it. ). Sid is an all time great ad not sure who you think was a more mportant gog on those 1940's teams, please tell me, thanks!

Originally Posted by soulman

Let's just say, as you point out, that in their respective eras they were the top guys in the game. But what Luckman accomplished in the 40's he could not have duplicated in the 70's. Both were surrounded by very dominant teams but I still don't think many give Luckman credit for being as good an athlete as he was. He was an All-American RB in college trained to play in a wing-style backfield but he metamorphosed quite nicely into a very good t-formation QB. He wasn't the Bears only weapon but he was a weapon.

Who knows how many more SB's the 80's Bears may have won had McMahon stayed healthy. As a pure passer there are quite a few Bears QB's who would pass him up but he was a great leader and he knew how to win. It was his intangibles that made him special and maybe it was the same with Sid Luckman although I never saw him play.

Yeah soul- sid was a great athlete( remember played 2 ways back then), and while hard to compare era's.. do not think its fair to just dismiss the older athlete's because not as big as today's.. I'd say bronk, would have been a 250-260 wrecking ball ala a earl campbell if played today, with modern training and nutrition,, he wouldn't be just 230 anymore,and would be a bast to pull down.. yes the gme and sizes have changed, but those athelte's would ahve changed also .. so that is why hard to make comparsions, but do not think fair" just to dismiss becuae smaller or not as strong. I mean if luckman or bronk could ahve trained all yeara round, instead o needing jobs in the Offseason to make ends meet, how mch better and bigger would they have been?

DaBears54, it was 4 titles in 7 years, not 6. You count 1940 as year 1 and 1946 as year 7...

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Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Luckman-obviously
McMahon-Won a Super Bowl
Grossman- Made a Super Bowl

McMahon played on the team that sported the greatest RB and Defense that won a superbowl. His numbers that year not average at best. Grossman, Orton or Dilfer would have won a superbowl if they played qb for that team.

Honest opinion, Luckman is the best qb we have ever had and that is it. Jay has talent but he has not played enough games to make this list like most of our qbs of the past.

Originally Posted by GeorgiaJeff

DaBears54, it was 4 titles in 7 years, not 6. You count 1940 as year 1 and 1946 as year 7...

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thanks.. yeah its 7..but still a remarkable run( esp as 1942 were 11-0 and didnt win the title..lol)

Originally Posted by Henry Burris

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Good point. I'm just going off the fact that players from so long ago really dont have the same talent as even players with only one or two good years these days, which is why i wouldnt pick luckman over my guys

It's not fair to judge them. If Babe Ruth was playing today he wouldn't have been 250 and fat. He would have been groomed and in better shape at a much earlier age, had designer steroids thrown at him at 13 yrs old and probably been 250 all muscle, he would have had swing coaches etc helping him out. Also there was no push to be in shape year round like it is today, Your greats today are not going to be 250 all muscle if their born in at the turn of the century. Not to mention how the rules have changed.

I'd say most of the guys today couldn't have made it back then; they would have a far harder time staying healthy; Montana/Marino/Manning/Brady are not the same qb's in the 40's/70's as they are today b/c the rules didn't allow guys to throw like that. QB's weren't protected in the pocket, and wr's could get mauled all the way down the field.


My top three Luckman, Jimmy Mac, Kramer(who will eventually be replaced by Cutler if all goes well).

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

It's not fair to judge them. If Babe Ruth was playing today he wouldn't have been 250 and fat. He would have been groomed and in better shape at a much earlier age, had designer steroids thrown at him at 13 yrs old and probably been 250 all muscle, he would have had swing coaches etc helping him out. Also there was no push to be in shape year round like it is today, Your greats today are not going to be 250 all muscle if their born in at the turn of the century. Not to mention how the rules have changed.

I'd say most of the guys today couldn't have made it back then; they would have a far harder time staying healthy; Montana/Marino/Manning/Brady are not the same qb's in the 40's/70's as they are today b/c the rules didn't allow guys to throw like that. QB's weren't protected in the pocket, and wr's could get mauled all the way down the field.


My top three Luckman, Jimmy Mac, Kramer(who will eventually be replaced by Cutler if all goes well).

Spot on and will say, "IF" cutler gets ring , he leapfrogs mcmahon right away