Tice's offensive line

**jackiejokeman** · 05-23-2011, 04:19 PM

That OL I posted is a "what if" if Tice could make all of them work the way he got Webb to work.

It would be nice if that line worked out...only playing time will tell.

Remember what a great job Tice did revamping the line during the bye week.

At some point Kreutz and Garza arent going to have it anymore.

As far as ballet goes...Playboy ran a story years ago called "The Dancing Bears", about our guys hiring a ballet dancer to teach them to be lighter on their feet.

Everything was working great until they looked across the sidelines while playing the NYG's and saw they had some famous Russian ballet dance teacher on their sideline.

**soulman** · 05-23-2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by lklrlolnlilklsox

Garza's a RG. They tried him at LG last year to accommodate Louis, but that project failed rather miserably.

Sorry, you're right I meant RG. It's my dyslexic Monday I guess. I think they'll most likely keep CWill at LG and see if he continues to develop. We'll be looking for a RG in FA to replace Garza.

**lklrlolnlilklsox** · 05-23-2011, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by GrizzlyBear91

Go back and show me where I said he should be penciled in anywhere?... I've said it serveral times, I'm not hailing this guy as the end all be all guard of the century. I'm just sick of the "lets hate this guy cause everyone else is hating on him right now" Trend...

I'm saying don't count the guy out. that's it. nothing else to read into... no spin... no hidden meaning.... nothing.

it's a simple.... cut the guy some slack already. We picked him up for a reason. best guess is Tice see's something in him or maybe know's how to reach guys like that. last year I had to listen all year about how Webb sucked this and that, shouldn't be starting.... eveyrone ready to tar and feather the guy before he even got into a rythm...

we're just talking about possiblilities and this guy never get's passed hearing his name called before the lynch mob starts the "never gonna be shit in the NFL" chant....

Let's recap, I say he has no business being anywhere near the starting lineup projections now, and you return with this...

I can't for the life of me figure out why everyone is so quick to just flat out hate players on this team....

the kid hasn't had a chance to prove if he's capable of getting his head out of his ass yet, but everyone is gonna light this kid up everytime someone even THINKS about mentioning his name... if anyone can fix the kids it's Tice. why don't we let the man work some magic before we all proclaim this Johnson kid a bust??

all last year I had to hear about Webb being Junk, Webb shouldn't be starting, he's a 7th round nobody, screw the Bears blah blah blah.... and how did that play out?... looks like we got us one solid starting tackle for the next couple years....

I repeat, what about what I said is not completely true? I don't have a crystal ball to tell you what a person's future is going to be, but I can tell you from the years I watched him in college, to his time thus far in the NFL, that the guy would need a complete head-to-toe overhaul to stand a chance. IF he does make the team this year, I wouldn't bet on him being anything higher than the 53rd man.

**short faced bear** · 05-23-2011, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Butka

No need to over-react Grizz.... From college, he needed to get lighter on his feet. Otherwise, he just needed to clean up some technique issues. I thought he was a decent project. The ballet comment is clearly a joke... I don't think anyone trains that way anymore, but they did in the 80's.

Fast Willie Gault do some ballet as did Lynn Swann I believe. I'm glad we can have a reclaimation project like Webb take root but if I'm hoping for that for the next few years to solidify a line then we're in trouble. Sometimes it takes a guy to get bounced around to find his NFL footing.

**jackiejokeman** · 05-23-2011, 05:05 PM

Heres some posts from other BEARS boards about the OL.

Put 10 BEARS fans in a room, you get ten different opinions.

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On the Oline debate. I too feel that we should at least try E. Williams at C. for a few games to see what effect it has on Oline. If he doesn't work out, put Kruetz back in with the idea that new C needs to be drafted high next year. E. Williams gets his walking papers after the season. It is a win-win; either he pans out or you have the same guy finishing up the season that you would have had, plus you don't waste a roster spot on E. Williams. No brainer to me.

As far as line projections. I like Carimi at RT. No one debates he is a great run blocker. We run right. I put the fat boy at ROG and run right all day long. They say Webb has great feet but mediocre strength seems like a LT to me.

My line: LT-Webb LOG-FA pick up Carl Nicks (NOT Williams) C-E. Williams ROG-H. Johnson RT-Carimi

Omiyale would be swing tackle, Asiata and Garza would battle it out for back up OG spot, Kruetz would be back up C- just in case, L.Louis would be TE to take Manulua spot as blocking TE. Remember Louis was TE in college. C. Williams would be cut, to help afford Nicks salary. This would leave vetern pro bowler next to Webb and E. Williams to help. I think Carimi would be above average RT in his first year. H. Johnson is wild card. But worse case scenari you go with Garza. This line would be great!

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For the first time in a long time I trust our O-line coach to find the best guys at the right positions on the o-line. I also suspect Tice will become our OC should Martz leave after this year.

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This is the most sensible approach to our 2011 OL that I've seen yet. Keeping Kreutz around just as a backup is a bit questionable -- and I'm not convinced Edwin Williams is the long-term answer at C either -- but assuming Herman Johnson can play into his size the rest of that group is solid and huge.

The trick will be convincing Angelo to write off yet another of his OL draft picks (C. Williams) as a loss.

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Well then maybe we keep Chris Williams as swing takle and launch Omiyale.

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That's what I've been saying for awhile now. With the addition of Carimi, it's time for one of those other two to go. It's just a matter of whether Angelo wants to admit defeat in the draft, or FA.

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The problem is that as bad as Omiyale is, he plays RT and LT better than Williams or at least of what we have seen Williams play.

I have confidence Tice will put the best 5 on the field but I expect 3 of those 3 will be Chris Williams, Kreutz and Garza.

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Ok, I pick Kreutz and Garza.

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Carimi at LT is the best choice for the offensive line. Keep Webb where he was last season and let's get this show on the road.

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RG remains Garza's job to lose. I think most of us here would love to see Herman Johnson come into camp and blow everyone else away at that position... but if the coaches have any hesitation about him after the end of the preseason, I expect it's Garza back there again for one more go-around.

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Despite many of the experts stating that Carimi's best position is RT - I think Tice and company will give him a serious shot at LT. The problem is in doing that is that if he fails then Webb won't be getting the needed reps he would need to play the same spot.

And at this rate they won't get a lot of time to see where Carimi's best position is.

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That's the problem with the Bears O-line right now - we're hoping our young FA castoffs like Herman Johnson, Asiata, and Edwin Williams come through. I'd put Lance Louis in that category too even though he was a draft pick.

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Lance Louis is practically an FA (6th round pick IIRC). With his past expreience at TE and virtually the same body type, Louis seems to me like a lock-and-load replacement for Manumaleuna... but with these coaches, who knows?

**soulman** · 05-23-2011, 05:28 PM

Guess that one poster doesn't realize that Nicks is a RFA who was tendered at the 1st round level. If we go after him it will cost us a first plus a big paycheck. Since he's a Tice style guy it's not impossible but not very likely.

Also you don't re-sign Kreutz to have him backup EWill and Asiata is just another undersized OG who doesn't fit at either OG spot so he won't last past camp. Johnson has a much better chance of making the team than Asiata.

Webb could go either way but I think Carimi gets first shot at it and CWill will stay at RG in all probability. I like the idea of trying Louis in Manu's spot though. Younger, cheaper and maybe the perfect spot for a guy I think we should keep around.