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    BEARS BEST RB? Payton or sayers, WHO YA GOT

    well today will be the best All time running backs in bears history, Personally go with Payton,sayers and the Bronk!.. disagree about "one touch mcafee" being top 3 over Bronk from mullin

    Best Bears running back ever: Payton or Sayers?
    Monday, May 23, 2011
    Posted: 10:12 p.m.

    By John Mullin
    CSNChicago.com

    With the NFL on indefinite break and the Bulls working on fast breaks, theirs and the Miami Heat’s, CSNChicago.com’s “View from the Moon” is taking this opportunity to bring unprecedented clarity to the Chicago Bears’ past, with some “present” folded in.

    Rather than undertake another analysis of the 2011 roster, which necessarily remains in a molten state pending yet-uncertain free agency, training camp and preseason, “View” will establish the franchise depth chart position by position.

    Specifically, who are the three greatest Bears of all time at each of the 22 positions, plus special teams?

    The difficult part of “Quarterback” was finding three who warranted inclusion in a list. The difficult part of “Running Backs” is a whole lot more complicated.

    Working from bottom to top, to save the best for last:

    Honorable mention

    Neal Anderson: Only Walter Payton rushed for more than Anderson’s 6,166 yards and he had the misfortune of following Walter, so he also needed to survive comparisons. Anderson also caught 302 passes (16th all-time) for 20 TDs and averaged 4.1 per carry. And he jumped in on special teams as a gunner his rookie year waiting his time behind Walter.

    Rick Casares: 4.1 yards per carry, third all-time with 5,675 yards, 49 TD’s. At 6-2, 226 pounds, basically Matt Forte 50 years ago.

    Matt Forte: The incumbent, could move up onto the “Best” list in time. Forte is on pace to rank among the franchise greats. He is the first player in franchise history with at least 1,400 yards from scrimmage in each of his first three NFL seasons. He’s also one of only five all-time with at least three seasons of 1,000 yards-plus. Only Gale Sayers and Forte accomplished that in their first three seasons as Bears. And his mix of rushing/receiving is in the Walter tradition.

    Thomas Jones: For a bright shining couple of years, Jones was Forte. His 2004-2006 seasons were enough combined to place him fifth all-time with 3,493 yards, with yards-per-carry (4.1) and touchdowns (22) topping even Forte. A blocker as well.

    And the top three:
    3. George McAfee

    This is the Ted Williams of professional football. Williams was among the greatest hitters in baseball history, with 521 home runs and a .344 batting average, all the more notable because he gave the core of his prime to his country in not one, but two wars.

    McAfee is a member of the college and pro football Halls of Fame, the latter despite missing 1942-44 due to service in the U.S. Navy. He collected 12 TD’s in an 11-game season (1941) and in Sayers fashion, via rushing, receiving and returning. Only Gale and Beattie Feathers averaged more per carry than McAfee’s 4.9 yards and he averaged a TD every 16 times he carried the ball (Walter was once every 35, Gale once every 26).

    Project those service years into his results and you have football’s equivalent of Williams.

    Now it gets very difficult. Gale or Walter?

    Let’s go beyond the staggering numbers that each laid on the NFL. Both have the credentials to be the best in the franchise history. Instead, let’s base it on four measures: who was the best for one play, one game, one year and a career?

    For this I went outside “View from the Moon” for help: Doug Buffone, who came to the Bears the year after Gale was drafted and played four years with Walter.

    One play: For a single down I leaned toward Walter, tough enough to dive for a yard, versatile enough to swing out of the backfield to catch a pass and talented enough to throw one.

    Doug went the other direction: “On every snap Gale had the chance to turn the play into a touchdown. He was tough enough at just short of 200 pounds for taking hits, if anyone could get a clean shot on him.

    Decision: Gale

    One game: If it’s in the mud, Gale. But for a guy who could take a team on his back and refuse to let it lose, Walter. And for someone to keep my quarterback upright and safe, no question. If Walter doesn’t deliver a block on a blitzing Minnesota linebacker that Thursday night in 1985, Jim McMahon’s night never happens.

    Decision: Walter


    One season: Walter’s 1977, with 1,852 rushing yards, 14 TD’s and 269 receiving yards – in 14 games – borders on fantasy. But Gale’s 1965 was fantasy, with 2,272 total yards and 22 TDs, and with nowhere near the offensive line help that Walter had in some seasons.

    Decision: Gale

    One career: Unfortunately, to compare here would be to extrapolate and that’s not really right. No one worked harder to overcome the knee nightmare that Gale went through, but neither did anyone work harder than Walter at becoming the consummate football player.

    Decision: Walter

    So, “play” and “season” to Gale Sayers, “game” and “career” to Walter Payton.

    It comes down, then, to you have first pick in the sandlot Bears game of all-time. It’s not an easy call, but before I think about Dick Butkus, Dan Hampton, Richard Dent or anybody on defense, I take the best running back in franchise history: Gale Sayers.

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    Walter Payton. Better all around player, and with durability being a concern, that seals the deal


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    And just a special Kudos to neil anderson, who hasthe most difficult job in chicgo, replacing the living legend payton, and doing it with such class and style- that was harder thaan anyone could imagine, and he, unlike many of today's players, enver complained when asked to ply RB while payton still here, played ST and did whatever ased, without complaining or "asking for his".. While his injury took down his career- he gets a special mentio for that most difficult job of following sweetness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Burris View Post
    Walter Payton. Better all around player, and with durability being a concern, that seals the deal
    just to make it interesting and a convo starter, let's move it to top 5 all time.. not just best overall.

    my top 5:

    1. Payton- sweetness, simply the best..

    2. sayers- the kansas comet, a better open field runner than payton, but not the blocker or durability payton had

    3. Bronko nagurski- The legend, when other hall of famers talk in awe about you and afraid to tackle you, you know special

    4. red Grange- any other team grange is top rb or top 2..he made the NFL in 1925 with 70K crowds at games just to se him( no sure how mullin didn't mention)

    5. Neil Anderson- Know mcafee was a hall of famer and better return man, but anderson for me deserves a mention

    6. george mcafee- the original devin hester, just electric when got ball in hands

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    -Defense him?" Steve Owen, the long-time New York Giants coach, once said. "There's only one way to defense him - shoot him before he leaves the dressing room!"

    -There was something strange about tackling Nagurski," his long-time teammate, Red Grange, remembers. "When you hit him at the ankles, it is almost like getting an electric shock. If you hit him above the ankles, you are likely to get killed."


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    Sayers probably could have been better, but didn't play long enough to really know...and wasn't a lynch pin in a Superbowl winning season. That Gives the nod to Payton; personality/class then come into play and that also has to goto Payton. I wish Sayers could have stayed healthy so there would be no question about how talented it was/could have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    Sayers probably could have been better, but didn't play long enough to really know...and wasn't a lynch pin in a Superbowl winning season. That Gives the nod to Payton; personality/class then come into play and that also has to goto Payton. I wish Sayers could have stayed healthy so there would be no question about how talented it was/could have been.
    Yeah the knee injury makes any comparision tough and a guess, and also because sayers smaller, most times evn w/o injury the career lasts less nd not effective as get older and slower..the "scat backs" top career usually much shorter than the solid brusier rb's ala a payton, brown,bettis etc etc

    who would be you #3-#5 Rb's riczaja?

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    Payton may be up for best player ever, not just best RB ever. I'm not biased.

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    I assume he's going to list Bronko Nagurski as a FB because he wasn't mentioned in the RB article. Rick Casares was mentioned and he was a FB...

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...C/CasaRi00.htm

    I'd like to give an Honorable Mention to Willie Galimore and Beattie Feathers.


    My top 3 are Payton, Sayers and Nagurski (if we're combining the RB and FB positions as one rather than separating them). If "Moon" isn't separating them I don't see how Nagurski is left out altogether. He wasn't even mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaJeff View Post
    I assume he's going to list Bronko Nagurski as a FB because he wasn't mentioned in the RB article. Rick Casares was mentioned and he was a FB...

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...C/CasaRi00.htm

    I'd like to give an Honorable Mention to Willie Galimore and Beattie Feathers.


    My top 3 are Payton, Sayers and Nagurski (if we're combining the RB and FB positions as one rather than separating them). If "Moon" isn't separating them I don't see how Nagurski is left out altogether. He wasn't even mentioned.
    yeah because mentioned Cesares, didn't understand no mention of bronko.. AND to also not mention red grange also wrong jeff,, you can't talk about rb's without mentioning the 'galloping ghost",, not sure what mullin was thinking with that omission( to not mention a HOF Rb strange)

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