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ESPN- Peppers #8 best defender in NFL
Power Rankings: Top 10 defensive players
During the unprecedented offseason of 2011, ESPN.com has ranked the top pass-rushers in the NFL. We've ordered linebackers, rated cornerbacks and chosen the league's top 10 safeties as well. Now it's time to start putting it all together.
This week's challenge: Meld those four ballots into a single list of the NFL's 10 best defensive players. The subtle shift in parameters required us to consider not only a player's individual impact, but the overall importance of his position to the game.
Both in the draft and in the free-agent market, NFL teams place premium value on pass-rushers and interior defensive linemen. Other positions, most notably safeties, are relegated to secondary priorities. So in that sense, it's both remarkable and telling that Pittsburgh Steelers safety Troy Polamalu was the unanimous top choice of our committee.
"Troy has a skill set that I've never seen from the safety position," said AFC North blogger James Walker, who has covered Polamalu for years. "He has the hands, coverage skills and acceleration of a corner but the instincts and timing on the blitz and against the run like a linebacker. When I've asked coaches to draw a comparison to another safety, they struggle to come up with a name, because there's really no one like him. [Steelers defensive coordinator] Dick LeBeau also deserves credit for building his defense around Troy, because that's really hard to do for a safety."
To what extent do NFL teams typically value safeties? Consider that in last month's draft, the first safety wasn't selected until midway through the second round. (UCLA's Rahim Moore, by the Denver Broncos, at No. 45 overall.) And in determining franchise tag numbers for a potential 2011 market before the lockout, the league was set to assign safeties the third-lowest figure among all positions, ahead only of tight ends and kickers.
One other safety made our list: Ed Reed of the Baltimore Ravens. But for the most part, the list was dominated by players known for getting to the quarterback. Our top pass-rusher, Dallas Cowboys linebacker DeMarcus Ware, ranked second. Green Bay Packers linebacker Clay Matthews, Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison and Chicago Bears defensive end Julius Peppers were all among our top eight.
Ranking the Defensive Players
1. Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Steelers
2. DeMarcus Ware, Dallas Cowboys
3. Darrelle Revis, New York Jets
4. Patrick Willis, San Francisco 49ers
5. Clay Matthews, Green Bay Packers
6. James Harrison, Pittsburgh Steelers
7. Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland Raiders
8. Julius Peppers, Chicago Bears
9. Haloti Ngata, Baltimore Ravens
10. Ed Reed, Baltimore Ravens
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...ensive-players
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Well deserved for Peppers but it's hard to fathom how Urlacher wouldn't have made to the top ten or just slightly above that level. To me there's not enough emphasis on overall play and value to the team included here. Urlacher had an all-pro level season last year. But then again it was ESPN guys who compiled this list so it's not surprising.
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Originally Posted by
soulman
Well deserved for Peppers but it's hard to fathom how Urlacher wouldn't have made to the top ten or just slightly above that level. To me there's not enough emphasis on overall play and value to the team included here. Urlacher had an all-pro level season last year. But then again it was ESPN guys who compiled this list so it's not surprising.
yeah, you can argue that patrick willis 2010 seaosn of 128 tackles, 6 sacks, 5 Passes defended and zero Int's for a 6-10 niners team isn't as good as urlacher's 125 tackle,4 sacks,10 passes defended and 1 INT for a 11-5 squad, had a better over-all year. thnk willis was great in 2008 and 2009, but he fell off in 2010...
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Originally Posted by
dabears54
yeah, you can argue that patrick willis 2010 seaosn of 128 tackles, 6 sacks, 5 Passes defended and zero Int's for a 6-10 niners team isn't as good as urlacher's 125 tackle,4 sacks,10 passes defended and 1 INT for a 11-5 squad, had a better over-all year. thnk willis was great in 2008 and 2009, but he fell off in 2010...
I'm not neccessarily putting him ahead of Willis but Ed Reed or Hali Ngata? The thing is in looking at all of the voting he didn't even get a nomination. That's ridiculous! Those dipshits from ESPN are idiots.
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Originally Posted by
soulman
I'm not neccessarily putting him ahead of Willis but Ed Reed or Hali Ngata? The thing is in looking at all of the voting he didn't even get a nomination. That's ridiculous! Those dipshits from ESPN are idiots.
Oh agree about that, suprised not even a vote and was trying to do a Apples/apples comparsion with another MLB on ulracher, why picked Willis.. : )
And on reed, while he had injury trouble last 2 years- 8 Int's in only 10 games pretty impressive- his tckling has fallen off a litte, but still top line playmaker in the pass "D"
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Clay Mathews?... Really? Urlacher and Briggs top that chump any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by
dabears54
Oh agree about that, suprised not even a vote and was trying to do a Apples/apples comparsion with another MLB on ulracher, why picked Willis.. : )
And on reed, while he had injury trouble last 2 years- 8 Int's in only 10 games pretty impressive- his tckling has fallen off a litte, but still top line playmaker in the pass "D"
But that's what I had a problem with. Too much emphasis on sacks and picks and not enough on overall play and contribution to team success. Urlacher's contributions to the Bears 2010 success are certainly no less that Pep's.
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Originally Posted by
soulman
But that's what I had a problem with. Too much emphasis on sacks and picks and not enough on overall play and contribution to team success. Urlacher's contributions to the Bears 2010 success are certainly no less that Pep's.
LOL, yep,but the next time ESPN does something "in depth" and not care moe about hype and "highlights" will be a first : )
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Originally Posted by
dabears54
LOL, yep,but the next time ESPN does something "in depth" and not care moe about hype and "highlights" will be a first : )
True Dat. (sighs in frustration)
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You already posted this in the rival team forum...