Carimi just wants to play

**dabears54** · 06-20-2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by soulman

I'm with you on CWill. His cost is minimal so he won't be cut before they give him a full season to settle in at one spot and given the fact that the prep time may be shortened by this lockout my guess is that they'll keep him at OG since it seems that Tice believes that either Carimi or Webb will be his LT of the future. CWill has the athleticism to be a good pulling OG and he's shown that he's not bad at blocking in the second level but he really does need to add some strength to anchor against some of those bigger DT's he'll face. He gets pushed around far to much and it's either more strength or better technique and leverage that he needs to add or he'll never make it at OG.

I think the Atlanta thing is baffling too. If Clabo, Dahl, and Blalock all hit FA I can't see anyway they could keep more than two of the three and even that may be a challenge in this market. The Bears aren't the only ones looking for good young interior lineman and it's plain that the draft didn't provide many top prospects to fill those needs. This is an area where I hope we've made one or two guys a top priority and as we did with Peppers swoop in quickly with an offer they can't refuse. A young vet OG should be our #1 priority once FA begins. I rank this even higher than a big WR yet I still believe there's room for both.

To me our best bet is to play Carimi at LT. The fact that he played 4 years as a starter in a pro style system at UW is the main reason I was always so high on him as a Bears pick. I still believe that he was the most "road ready" LT in the draft despite those who projected him as more of a RT. There won't be enough time to work with Webb on a conversion to LT so I'd let him develop his pass blocking skills for another year at RT before I attempted to switch him to LT. Despite being a rookie I think Carimi is a more advanced LT than Webb at this point in time. So we begin with a line that starts Carimi at LT, Webb at RT and a vet OG who replaces Garza in all likelihood unless CWill proved to be incapable of handling OG and Olin at OC for another year while we develop a younger replacement.

Yep think C-will is safe for 2011, but if he doesn't improve ALOT, 2012 will be a completely different story. And hard to kno "the real story" on Falcons, "maybe" the Gm just thought could roll the Dice, and have an abbreviated eason with last years rules, so wouldn't lose anyone, and now looks like will come up "snake-eyes" and have all 3 hit F/A... Don't think it was a smart strategy, but its one possibility.

**Henry Burris** · 06-20-2011, 02:26 PM

Another thought, if Mike adams from Ohio State were to declare for the supplemental draft, would you take him?

**soulman** · 06-20-2011, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Henry Burris

Another thought, if Mike adams from Ohio State were to declare for the supplemental draft, would you take him?

I think a lot of that depends on how high we'd have to jump to get him. He's nowhere near ready to play in the NFL yet so we'd still have to sign a vet FA now and look at him as a future starter maybe in replacement of CWill. If we could get him with a 2012 3rd that may be a bargain but I wouldn't go any higher than a 2nd because he's still a risk at this point in time. He may be great or he may be a total flop because he didn't finish his college career. Probably the best thing for him is to sign with a team who could give him a couple of years before expecting him to start.

**thekmann** · 06-20-2011, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by dabears54

Yep think C-will is safe for 2011, but if he doesn't improve ALOT, 2012 will be a completely different story. And hard to kno "the real story" on Falcons, "maybe" the Gm just thought could roll the Dice, and have an abbreviated eason with last years rules, so wouldn't lose anyone, and now looks like will come up "snake-eyes" and have all 3 hit F/A... Don't think it was a smart strategy, but its one possibility.

In rethinking it you are probably right about the CWill situation, but man the backlash from the fanbase to have a #14 pick sitting on the bench as a backup would be huge and no one can tell me that the FO people don't care what their fanbase is saying or doing. This would especially be the case if the line continues to struggle and CWill is sitting. The problem with the whole FA thing and this lockout is it is seriously screwing with the OL continuity development. We saw how long that took last season to start to develop. Now we are going to be asking a rookie and possibly a FA to come in and gel with who, as no one position on the OL is really set. We all assume and me personally hope that Olin is offered a contract he is happy with and returns, but no guarantees there. CWill, Garza who knows what happens to them if the Bears do go after a FA OG. I just wish this lockout would end so the team can get squared away and start putting the pieces together.

**soulman** · 06-20-2011, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by thekmann

In rethinking it you are probably right about the CWill situation, but man the backlash from the fanbase to have a #14 pick sitting on the bench as a backup would be huge and no one can tell me that the FO people don't care what their fanbase is saying or doing. This would especially be the case if the line continues to struggle and CWill is sitting. The problem with the whole FA thing and this lockout is it is seriously screwing with the OL continuity development. We saw how long that took last season to start to develop. Now we are going to be asking a rookie and possibly a FA to come in and gel with who, as no one position on the OL is really set. We all assume and me personally hope that Olin is offered a contract he is happy with and returns, but no guarantees there. CWill, Garza who knows what happens to them if the Bears do go after a FA OG. I just wish this lockout would end so the team can get squared away and start putting the pieces together.

With Tice coaching the Oline if we bring in a FA OG and he cleanly beats out CWill then he will sit and in all likelihood become the swing tackle in place of OMG. I don't automatically assume that it will be Garza who'll be replaced. He's not as bad an OG as some think.

**thekmann** · 06-21-2011, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by soulman

With Tice coaching the Oline if we bring in a FA OG and he cleanly beats out CWill then he will sit and in all likelihood become the swing tackle in place of OMG. I don't automatically assume that it will be Garza who'll be replaced. He's not as bad an OG as some think.

I don't know Soul, I can't see them going out and making a huge investment in the FA market for an OG if they fully don't intend for him to be a starter with only a under the table sort of competition but in all reality he will be the starter on one side or the other. Those Atlanta guards if both become available will not be cheap as the market for them is high. The Bears are not the only team in need of an upgrade at that position. As to Garza I agree he has been a very good and dependable player for the team, but Tice wants bigger and he is currently the smallest of the lineup that played last year and the second oldest. As to CWill and OMG battling for the swing OT position that is a possibility but based on their performance on games played at RT, LT and LG I would rate them exactly equal, not really any difference at all except OMG has more LT starts/experience. I guess we will all see how it plays out.

**dabears54** · 06-21-2011, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by Henry Burris

Another thought, if Mike adams from Ohio State were to declare for the supplemental draft, would you take him?

i'd take a flier on him in 3rd or 4th.. but so far have seen nothing from ohio state or him Saying will declare, and think by now if going to do it, he would have( ala what pryor said)

**dabears54** · 06-21-2011, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by thekmann

In rethinking it you are probably right about the CWill situation, but man the backlash from the fanbase to have a #14 pick sitting on the bench as a backup would be huge and no one can tell me that the FO people don't care what their fanbase is saying or doing. This would especially be the case if the line continues to struggle and CWill is sitting. The problem with the whole FA thing and this lockout is it is seriously screwing with the OL continuity development. We saw how long that took last season to start to develop. Now we are going to be asking a rookie and possibly a FA to come in and gel with who, as no one position on the OL is really set. We all assume and me personally hope that Olin is offered a contract he is happy with and returns, but no guarantees there. CWill, Garza who knows what happens to them if the Bears do go after a FA OG. I just wish this lockout would end so the team can get squared away and start putting the pieces together.

the "meatheads" will always cry and complain- don't give it too much thought anymore k-mann : )

rather have the 'right" choice and football decision, over doing something to appease fans or create less backlash, because that is how you never win. doing what "fans" want or cry about. if listened to fans "backlash", briggs would be gone after the "backlash" of his and drew's "never play again" stuff, urlacher would be gone after being "most overrated". cutler would be gone after the 'backlash" in 3rd quarter of NFC champ game, peanut gone after the carolina playoff game in 2005, forte gone after played through injuriesin 2009 and play was lower etc etc.. and can do this for most of team and we would be be lions of 0-6 wins a year.. :)

just not worth listening too much to the fans emotional back lash, imo

**soulman** · 06-21-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by thekmann

I don't know Soul, I can't see them going out and making a huge investment in the FA market for an OG if they fully don't intend for him to be a starter with only a under the table sort of competition but in all reality he will be the starter on one side or the other. Those Atlanta guards if both become available will not be cheap as the market for them is high. The Bears are not the only team in need of an upgrade at that position. As to Garza I agree he has been a very good and dependable player for the team, but Tice wants bigger and he is currently the smallest of the lineup that played last year and the second oldest. As to CWill and OMG battling for the swing OT position that is a possibility but based on their performance on games played at RT, LT and LG I would rate them exactly equal, not really any difference at all except OMG has more LT starts/experience. I guess we will all see how it plays out.

Oh if they go out and get a young stud OG you can bet he'll be a starter at one spot or the other. If it happens that the guy is a RG and replaces CWill then Tice may give him a shot at LG but I think it's far more likely that he'll replace OMG as a swing Tackle. He still has the potential to be a decent LT and given the fact that we invested a first round pick in him it's far more likely they'll cut OMG than CWill.

Truth be told both Garza and CWill are undersized for OG's. CWill only outweighs Garza by about 5 ot 6 pounds and he's 4" taller so he's built far less like an OG than an OT. Regardless of what happens I think we keep CWill. He's relatively cheap and he may just be a late bloomer who still needs some time to develop his technique and I think if anyone can get the best out of him it's Tice. To me he's a much better option as a backup OT than OMG because CWill still has some upside IMO.

**dabears54** · 06-21-2011, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by soulman

Oh if they go out and get a young stud OG you can bet he'll be a starter at one spot or the other. If it happens that the guy is a RG and replaces CWill then Tice may give him a shot at LG but I think it's far more likely that he'll replace OMG as a swing Tackle. He still has the potential to be a decent LT and given the fact that we invested a first round pick in him it's far more likely they'll cut OMG than CWill.

Truth be told both Garza and CWill are undersized for OG's. CWill only outweighs Garza by about 5 ot 6 pounds and he's 4" taller so he's built far less like an OG than an OT. Regardless of what happens I think we keep CWill. He's relatively cheap and he may just be a late bloomer who still needs some time to develop his technique and I think if anyone can get the best out of him it's Tice. To me he's a much better option as a backup OT than OMG because CWill still has some upside IMO.

agreed, i'd expect one of the F/a guards to come here and then have williams/Garza fight it out for the starter, and the loser the Swing guard and omiyale the swing tackle( or even make williams the back up LT)... and have louis/asiata, house for depth

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