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    Maynard's Bears days numbered?

    didn't think he was coming back, since feb.

    Maynard's Bears days numbered?

    By John Mullin
    CSNChicago.com Bears Insider


    Free agents to watch

    The expectation always has been that free agency would return to its previously agreeable form of unrestricted after four seasons, restricted after three, when players come out of contracts, and that’s a virtual lock. Some things to look for:

    The Bears to bring Pisa Tinoisamoa back at strong-side linebacker, where he started the first nine games of ‘010 and finished seventh on the team in tackles despite missing four games with a knee injury. Tinoisamoa received exceptional marks in post-season reviews and while he and Nick Roach pose some injury reservations, neither is likely to attract preemptive offers from other teams in whatever abbreviated free-agency period there is.

    The Bears days of punter Brad Maynard to close quietly. Insiders tell CSNChicago.com that Maynard and special teams coordinator Dave Toub weren’t always seeing things the same ways on directional issues deep into last season. Nothing super serious and there’s always some of that on NFL sidelines, but word was back around the Combine in Indianapolis that Steve Weatherford was the Bears’ No. 1 target, coming off a two-year deal with the New York Jets.

    The Bears’ defensive line to be significantly better than in ‘010, for three reasons. Julius Peppers is settled in even more; Israel Idonije is ensconced as the starter at the other side and not losing reps to Mark Anderson; and the tackle situation to be improved with Anthony Adams re-signed at nose, with Henry Melton and Stephen Paea giving the Bears their best 1-2 hit at the vital three-technique in several seasons.

    Melton and Paea will be a major upgrade over the fading Tommie Harris and slightly undersized Matt Toeaina, the latter still giving the roster some valuable depth. And Adams at 31 won’t be a pricey re-sign for a quality veteran and all-around team presence.

    Talks between players and owners progressing slowly

    Sifting through the leavings in the wake of the owners meeting in Chicago this week and talks between owners and players picking up, more or less, in the Boston area subsequent to everyone finally escaping the Chicago tornado-microburst maelstrom that night...

    Players were told via conference call Thursday that a deal wasn’t imminent, and it hasn’t been despite some suggestions to the contrary. But what’s becoming apparent is that the two sides are getting tired of the situation than they have been of each other, which was a problem. If people don’t like each other, they don’t work things out easily, and very little has been easy to this point.

    But now, as Albert Breer of NFL Network notes, a measure of trust has been detected as aspects of the all-important revenue split are being discussed. The approach is being simplified and once that hurdle is brought down to a surmountable size, then there is real hope.

    And when meetings ended on Thursday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and players head DeMaurice Smith were standing together to confirm that they were under court orders to make no statement. But standing together was the statement in itself. Make no mistake – that was by design, and a good sign.

    Meanwhile...

    Goodell’s mood late in the afternoon following the meetings seemed a touch somber, to use the word of one questioner. And he in fact wasn’t necessarily upbeat or enthusiastic or anything else after the meetings.

    But reading anything much into that wasn’t a good idea, because a quiet mood at that point can be caused by three distinctly different realities:

    Goodell was pessimistic and was just feeling down because of failing to find reasons for a feel-good; this is the least likely of the three situations.

    Goodell was optimistic but was holding his breath a little, the way a kid does when he’s built something fragile (a word used by owners themselves) and is afraid to breathe too hard for fear of it falling over; this is more likely, because progress had been made and continues to be made this week.

    Goodell was just plain tired by 4 p.m. This was absolutely the case, optimistic or not.

    “No [I’m not somber],” Goodell said. “It was a good day in the sense that we had a full discussion on the issues and I think our ownership continues to be determined to reach an agreement, make sure we play the full season. They’re united. They believe that in the best interest of the game we need to correct various aspects of collective bargaining. But everyone’s determined to try to get that done and still have the full 2011 season.”


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    Melton and Paea will be a major upgrade over the fading Tommie Harris and slightly undersized Matt Toeaina, the latter still giving the roster some valuable depth. And Adams at 31 won’t be a pricey re-sign for a quality veteran and all-around team presence.

    How the hell can Mullin say Melton and Paea will be major upgrades over a slightly undersized Matt Toeaina. Big Toe is bigger than both of those guys and probably weighs only about 10-15lbs less than Adams. Now they may be better at the 3t DT position and we all hope that is the case as Big Toe is much better at NT rotating with Adams anyway but to say he is undersized compared to them is wrong. I wonder if the Bears will explore Jenkins in FA just to see what it would take. I know he is going to ask for a lot but at his age and injury history I don't think he is going to get near what he thinks he's worth, but you never know someone may overpay as some teams always do. I say this because I just don't think Harrison is going to be anything other than what he has been and I don't know much about this Tank Tyler guy except he is very strong like Paea on the bench press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekmann View Post
    Melton and Paea will be a major upgrade over the fading Tommie Harris and slightly undersized Matt Toeaina, the latter still giving the roster some valuable depth. And Adams at 31 won’t be a pricey re-sign for a quality veteran and all-around team presence.

    How the hell can Mullin say Melton and Paea will be major upgrades over a slightly undersized Matt Toeaina. Big Toe is bigger than both of those guys and probably weighs only about 10-15lbs less than Adams. Now they may be better at the 3t DT position and we all hope that is the case as Big Toe is much better at NT rotating with Adams anyway but to say he is undersized compared to them is wrong. I wonder if the Bears will explore Jenkins in FA just to see what it would take. I know he is going to ask for a lot but at his age and injury history I don't think he is going to get near what he thinks he's worth, but you never know someone may overpay as some teams always do. I say this because I just don't think Harrison is going to be anything other than what he has been and I don't know much about this Tank Tyler guy except he is very strong like Paea on the bench press.

    I do think Paea will be alot better( and quicker and stronger).. melton more a '3' only so hard to compare him to big toe as 2 different positions* thought the rumor of 290+ for melton we shall see).. FWIW big toe is 6'2', 308.. Paea 6'1 305 so same size..with paea 49 rep bench obviously much higher, and just IMo with adams/paea/toe/melton just do not think a good use of Cap dollars for jenkins, who would more a "luxery" than needed, rather see thise $$ go to getting a better and top line WR and OG,

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears54 View Post
    I do think Paea will be alot better( and quicker and stronger).. melton more a '3' only so hard to compare him to big toe as 2 different positions* thought the rumor of 290+ for melton we shall see).. FWIW big toe is 6'2', 308.. Paea 6'1 305 so same size..with paea 49 rep bench obviously much higher, and just IMo with adams/paea/toe/melton just do not think a good use of Cap dollars for jenkins, who would more a "luxery" than needed, rather see thise $$ go to getting a better and top line WR and OG,
    Yeah, I would like to see the money go elsewhere as well, it's just that normally we carry 5 interior DL and I don't see Harrison making the team this year as I said I don't know much about this Tank Tyler guy they signed in the offseason. If you really believe that Big Toe weighs only 308lbs I have a bridge I want to sell you. He's 320+ if he's an ounce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekmann View Post
    Yeah, I would like to see the money go elsewhere as well, it's just that normally we carry 5 interior DL and I don't see Harrison making the team this year as I said I don't know much about this Tank Tyler guy they signed in the offseason. If you really believe that Big Toe weighs only 308lbs I have a bridge I want to sell you. He's 320+ if he's an ounce.
    LOL agreed!.. but its all we have to go on..wouldn't suprise me if paea is really 315+ come camp either..I remember when they used to 'list" big teddy washington at 310 and keith traylor at 300... when teddy probably 360+ and traylor 340.. : ).. Still smile when think of traylor and his 2001 "INt run back and almost heart attack"..lol

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    The nice thing is that if we re-sign both Pisa and Roach we get one whole LB out of the two if they keep getting injured every year. I really want then to keep both. Maynard should be done if for no other reason than the size of his paycheck. His performance no longer justifies his salary so Weatherford may be a good grab if he's as good at gettin punts down inside the 20 as Maynard we a few years back.

    Toeaina is only listed at 308lbs on the Bears roster and seeing him play I don't believe he's much if any bigger than that. AA goes 310lbs and had more girth, and a broader and squatter body. I don't think "Toe" goes anymore than AA but he's big enough to play NT and I'll be interested in seeing what Tyler can do. I think he's another NT type.

    3t DT's aren't usually huge guys so even at 295lbs and 303lbs respectively Melton and Paea are fine in rotation. Paea natural strength will give him some advantage over Melton but overall I'm a lot happier with this duo than with Harris and Toe last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    The nice thing is that if we re-sign both Pisa and Roach we get one whole LB out of the two if they keep getting injured every year. I really want then to keep both. Maynard should be done if for no other reason than the size of his paycheck. His performance no longer justifies his salary so Weatherford may be a good grab if he's as good at gettin punts down inside the 20 as Maynard we a few years back.

    Toeaina is only listed at 308lbs on the Bears roster and seeing him play I don't believe he's much if any bigger than that. AA goes 310lbs and had more girth, and a broader and squatter body. I don't think "Toe" goes anymore than AA but he's big enough to play NT and I'll be interested in seeing what Tyler can do. I think he's another NT type.

    3t DT's aren't usually huge guys so even at 295lbs and 303lbs respectively Melton and Paea are fine in rotation. Paea natural strength will give him some advantage over Melton but overall I'm a lot happier with this duo than with Harris and Toe last year.
    One of the intriguing things to watch in camp/preseason will be seeing if they try and rotate paea to NT on 3rd and longs and use melton as the "3' and Paea as the pass rushing NT to get a better pressure package of peppers/melton/paea/izzy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    yeah if they were hell bent on spending cap dollars on dline I would rather go for a DE like Edwards
    Doubt they would do that either motown, but of the 2 , edwards makes alot more sense. Still rather see the $$ go to WR/OG and a CB before ever thinking DE/DT.. And think bears mke a play at johnathan joseph at CB FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears54 View Post
    One of the intriguing things to watch in camp/preseason will be seeing if they try and rotate paea to NT on 3rd and longs and use melton as the "3' and Paea as the pass rushing NT to get a better pressure package of peppers/melton/paea/izzy..
    I was thinking along those lines too. Lovie always talks about having your best guys on the field gives you the greatest possibility of success so we'll see how it breaks out. The first thing that Paea has to establish is that he does have good pass rush skills at this level.
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