TOP CB's in BEARS HISTORY- Who ya got??

**short faced bear** · 06-24-2011, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by soulman

If Richardson would have played for any other team he'd have been barely adequate. That monster pass rush saved his ass numerous times. Frazier was the guy in that defensive backfield that I think would have been a canidate for best ever had he not destroyed an knee fielding a punt. Ditka was an idiot to play him as a PR in that game.

I'd probably put Fraizer and Woolford at the top of the list followed by Tillman and McCrae. Ellis had a good year or two but he doesn't really standout that much to me. Not having ever seen Grange or McAfee play and since grandpa is too dead to tell me about them I really can't comment except to shake my head an agree with the masses.

I think who that pass rush helped was Reggie Phillips who never really panned out.

**soulman** · 06-24-2011, 06:55 PM

Too much of a midget, sort of like Virgil Livers. Those guys were pretty fast but they were awfully small. Don't get me wrong I liked Richardson but he didn't hold a candle to Frazier in my mind. I remember a pick he had against GB where he actually dove over the WR shoulder without touching him a picked the ball right out of his hands. Most amazing display of athleticsm I've ever seen in a CB.

**short faced bear** · 06-24-2011, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by soulman

Too much of a midget, sort of like Virgil Livers. Those guys were pretty fast but they were awfully small. Don't get me wrong I liked Richardson but he didn't hold a candle to Frazier in my mind. I remember a pick he had against GB where he actually dove over the WR shoulder without touching him a picked the ball right out of his hands. Most amazing display of athleticsm I've ever seen in a CB.

I think Mongo mentioned that exact play when he was describing "corn" short for Alcorn St where Frazier was from. Lemuel Stinson was another small fast guy that comes to mind like Phillips and Livers.

**Blue Horse-shoe** · 06-24-2011, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by soulman

If Richardson would have played for any other team he'd have been barely adequate. That monster pass rush saved his ass numerous times. Frazier was the guy in that defensive backfield that I think would have been a canidate for best ever had he not destroyed an knee fielding a punt. Ditka was an idiot to play him as a PR in that game.

I'd probably put Fraizer and Woolford at the top of the list followed by Tillman and McCrae. Ellis had a good year or two but he doesn't really standout that much to me. Not having ever seen Grange or McAfee play and since grandpa is too dead to tell me about them I really can't comment except to shake my head an agree with the masses.

I agree with the rest, but as to ur comment about Richardson : Hogwash .

**dabears54** · 06-25-2011, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Blue Horse-shoe

Mike Richardson was also very good. Don't remember him getting burned very often at all.

that's because the qbs never had time to throw and dent/hampton/mcmicheal/marshall/fenick etc.. would have killed the Qb already : ).. we will never know- but do not think richardson on another tea would be good.. easy to look good when qb's have less then 2 seconds to throw : )

**dabears54** · 06-25-2011, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by soulman

If Richardson would have played for any other team he'd have been barely adequate. That monster pass rush saved his ass numerous times. Frazier was the guy in that defensive backfield that I think would have been a canidate for best ever had he not destroyed an knee fielding a punt. Ditka was an idiot to play him as a PR in that game.

I'd probably put Fraizer and Woolford at the top of the list followed by Tillman and McCrae. Ellis had a good year or two but he doesn't really standout that much to me. Not having ever seen Grange or McAfee play and since grandpa is too dead to tell me about them I really can't comment except to shake my head an agree with the masses.

good point on Soul on fraizer returning the punts.. but that also goes on gault who refused to after his rookie year doing return duty

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