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    Julius Peppers, On A HOF Path?...............

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    Calling Canton: Peppers, Allen and sacks

    June, 27, 2011Jun 27
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    By Kevin Seifert


    US PresswireWill Canton make room for predominant pass-rushers Jared Allen and Julius Peppers?
    Another in a series on NFC North players whose career trajectories put them on a path to consideration for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

    NFL teams value pass-rushing more than any skill outside of quarterbacking, and here in the NFC North we have two of the best of this generation. Chicago Bears defensive end Julius Peppers (89 career sacks) and Minnesota Vikings defensive end Jared Allen (83) have outright dominated many games during their careers. But is either on track for future enshrinement in Canton, Ohio?

    My short answer: It could go either way.


    Sacks didn't become an official statistic until 1982. In reviewing how Hall of Fame voters have judged pass-rushers since then, a few tenets seem clear:
    1. Hall Of Famers (Careers During Sack Era)

      RankPlayerSacks1Bruce Smith2002Reggie White1983Richard Dent137.53John Randle137.55Lawrence Taylor132.56Ricky Jackson1287Derrick Thomas126.58Andre Tippett1009Howie Long84* Sacks became official in 1982 season.


    2. Sack totals alone, no matter how high, don't guarantee enshrinement. Otherwise, linebacker Kevin Greene (currently a Green Bay Packers assistant coach) and defensive end Chris Doleman would have been elected a long time ago. Greene has 160 career sacks, the third-most in NFL history. Doleman's 150.5 rank No. 5. They are two of 25 players with 100 or more career sacks, and eight of those 25 are in the Hall of Fame.
    3. The first chart is a list of the eight Hall of Fame defensive linemen and linebackers whose careers took place during the sack era. I included Oakland Raiders defensive lineman Howie Long and New York Giants linebacker Lawrence Taylor, whose careers began in 1981, and eliminated Bears linebacker Mike Singletary because pass-rushing wasn't much of a factor in his enshrinement. All but Long had at least 100 sacks. So although 100-plus sacks doesn't guarantee enshrinement, it's almost always a prerequisite. There is every reason to believe that Peppers, who is 31, and Allen, 29, can and will pass that milestone.
    4. Voters clearly perform a subjective judgment to determine which players with high sack totals deserve enshrinement. Generally speaking, players who seem classified as "pure" pass-rushers, including Greene and Doleman, face a higher bar than those who were more generally regarded as "havoc-wreakers." Examples: Long, Andre Tippett, Taylor, Rickey Jackson and John Randle.
    Given their career arcs, both Peppers and Allen might have to justify a "havoc-wreaker" enshrinement. They've got good chances to break the 100-sack barrier, but how much further will they go? Peppers could reach Randle-Taylor-Richard Dent territory by averaging 10 sacks a year for the next five seasons. I would say that 50 sacks between the ages of 31 and 36 represents the high end of what Peppers might achieve.

    Allen is 2 years younger, and a similar 50-sack run over the next five years could put him in the same territory by 34. That's a reasonable projection, but I wonder whether voters will discard Allen into the "pure pass-rusher" category that currently houses Greene, Doleman, Leslie O'Neal (137.5 career sacks), Simeon Rice (122) and Clyde Simmons (121.5).

    Peppers' Career Span: Sacks Since 2002

    PlayerYearsSacks1. Dwight Freeney2002-10942. Jason Taylor2002-10933. Julius Peppers2002-10894. John Abraham2002-10855. Jared Allen2004-1083Source: Pro-Football-Reference

    One gauge to consider is ESPN.com's positional power rankings, although I recognize that it simply represents the thoughts of eight slappy bloggers. (But remember, Hall of Fame election is determined by 44 other slappy writers and broadcasters.) Allen was rated as the No. 4 pass-rusher but didn't receive a single vote for best defensive player.

    For what it's worth, Peppers ranked No. 8 on the overall defensive player list. And I found it interesting last week that when asked to name the NFL's best player at the moment, Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher quickly responded: "Peppers."

    In an admittedly subjective question, I ask: If Peppers and Allen finish their careers with similar sack totals, who is more likely to be elected to the Hall of Fame? I'm going to guess Peppers, barring a dramatic career arc adjustment for either player.

    Comparing current players to Hall of Famers is only part of the discussion, however. As we noted in our post on Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, candidates also must be compared to their contemporaries. In theory, only those who dominated their respective eras should be enshrined.

    Our next two charts address that topic.

    Allen's Career Span: Sacks Since 2004

    PlayerYearsSacks1. Jared Allen2004-10832. DeMarcus Ware2005-10803. Robert Mathis2004-1070.54. Dwight Freeney2004-10705. Julius Peppers2004-1070Source: Pro-Football-Reference

    Since he entered the league in 2002, Peppers ranks third in sacks. Allen, meanwhile, has more sacks than any other NFL player since he was drafted in 2004.

    So let's say Peppers and Allen finish their careers in the 130-140 sack range. Both will have been among the most productive pass-rushers of their time, but they'll also be "competing" against a number of contemporaries with similar credentials. We of course hope that all deserving players eventually get in, but the definition of "deserving" can be relative.

    To that end, it should be noted that defensive end Michael Strahan (141.5 sacks) would seem relatively assured of enshrinement. End/linebacker Jason Taylor (132.5) and Dwight Freeney (94) also will be considered.

    Both Peppers and Allen have potential career spans long enough to settle this debate definitively on their own. But as it stands now, with Peppers entering his 10th season and Allen his eighth, we can say they've done enough to enter the Hall of Fame conversation. Both have more work to do, and it needs to be at the same standard they've set thus far.
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    Whether he makes it to the HOF or not Peppers is the best defensive acquisition the Bears have made since they drafted Urlacher (with apologies to Lance Briggs). We needed a difference maker on the Dline to go along with our LB talent and we got the perfect guy. Peppers made the pain of losing a no longer great Tommie Harris a whole lot more bearable.

    Given the way players condition themsleves today and watching him play I can't see any reason why Peppers can't get another 50 sacks before his retirement. The main thing the Bears need to do is to get some additonal outside pass rush help so that he can be rested a little more than they were able to do last year. Here's hoping Corey Wootton turns out to be just that guy. He's already a small time legend for putting an end to Favre's comeback career so let's hope that's just the beginning. We haven't drafted a great pass rusher in more years than I can remember.
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    Couldn't agree more Soul. And with the more DL help he is given with Wootton and Paea the more he can march towards HOF consideration.
    I'd like to see him to out with a SB and a SB MVP trophy ala Dent.
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    Couldn't agree more Soul. And with the more DL help he is given with Wootton and Paea the more he can march towards HOF consideration.
    I'd like to see him to out with a SB and a SB MVP trophy ala Dent.
    I'm anxious to see what can happen when Melton and Paea line up next to him. That's two young quick guys playing that 3t DT spot who are both hungry to prove themselves as inside pass rushers. I gotta think that will help a whole lot if they can do it.

    I think Paea is gonna be very difficult to block one on one for a whole game and they can't double him and Peppers without the left side caving in on them. This may turn out to be the best pass rushing Dline we've had since the 80's.
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