Bears fans are whiny wussies

**Evernight** · 08-01-2011, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by blinddeafmute

Do you think a packer fan would ever agree with what the bears admin is doing? (Ok, evernight might, but he's not the typical packer fan). But my point is that the only ones who never think the bears make good moves more than 3nag is a packer fan.

Getting Cutler was a good move. Getting Peppers? Great move. Getting a bunch of ragtag first round bust receivers based solely on their size that have never proven anything (AND expecting them to magically turn their skill on for your team when they haven't been able to do it in the past?) and completely ignoring the single biggest weakness on your team that likely cost you your Super Bowl bid? That's beyond confusing. Carimi is about the only thing JA has done to improve your bottom 5 ranked offense, and he still has yet to see the field in an NFL game so he's no sure thing. With all that cap space you'd think he would have taken in 2-3 higher skill level linemen. I mean, it's fine with me since it makes the Packers job that much easier. But I wouldn't be anywhere near satisfied with those offseason moves if I was a Bear fan.

**Jimmors** · 08-01-2011, 06:24 PM

the problem with all of this, is that you guys seem to be lumping EVERY acquisition/release together to make one long running commentary about how much you think JA sucks. But, its not that simple, every move SHOULD be valued on its own merits, or lack therof:

Lets start with the first thing we did:
-Replaced Maynard with Adam Podlesh. This is an upgrade, and while Punters are not the glamor positions of the NFL for any guy not named Vinateiri, this helps our team.

-Replaced Manu with Spaeth. Doesnt matter how much we paid manu, it was an uncapped year, and obviously that experiment didnt work out, so the only people that took a hit were the McCaskey's wallet. Spaeth will either be better, worse, or the same as Manu. I would say he should be better, but lets wait and see. Worst case, we dumped a bad player and tried to address it with another. So ill call this move a push.

-Olsen. This one shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone. They have been trying to shop him for YEARS now. Honestly, ive always felt Dez Clark was more valuable TE then Olsen, and im more upset that they let Dez disappear on the field. But ill play fair...lets call this one a mistake for now.

-Roy Williams. Another tricky evaluation. On one hand, he lead the league in drops. On the other...our WR corps isnt that great to begin with. He has had succes in the league under Martz (with the Lions and Kitna no less), so MAYBE Martz knows how to get that out of him again. Maybe he is a bust. But ill go with his recent past and label him "bust until proven otherwise."

-Sam Hurd. "Another WR from Dallas." Correct, but he is a special teamer, and a pretty decent one from what ive heard. A speciality player picked up for a specific role. Id chalk this up to improving our STs.

-Marion Barber. Ive defended Taylor in the past, noting his poor YPC was probably due to the way he was used (obvious running downs) combined with piss poor blocking from the OL. But if you guys are really that against Taylor, then this should come as an improvement as a relief back for Forte.

-Re-signed Nick Roach. This is another good move, he has been a decent filler at LB, and gives us the depth we need at the position.

-DE Vernon Gholston. Now, alot of people are chalking this up to a mistake because his lack of production with the Jets. But you have to remember that in college he was a 4-3 DE, but came to NYJ and was a 3-4 LB, failed, then a 3-4 DE, and failed. So...basically one of two things will happen: either he will continue to be a bust, or playing across from Peppers in a 4-3 system, he will produce on the field. So this move is "wait and see," and we got him on a 1yr contract for this reason. DL is just as important in games as the OL, which brings us to:

-Amobi Okoye. Another interesting move. Young, has potential. But the same was said about Tommie Harris. Okoye is being put in position to be on a very good DL, so he may prove to be a valuable pickup, better then Marcus Harrison. Or could be a bust. Point is, hard to say at this point..but lets call that a push for now, since we wont know until we see him in a game.

-Kreutz/Spencer. Probably the one that has caused all the rage lately. instead of rehashing every argument, ill just keep it short and say they shouldve re-signed Olin. But in either case, the writing was on the wall...we NEED a new Center to replace him, only difference now is that Olin wont be here this year before we draft his replacement, but in either case he was going to be gone next year.

-the OL. another neglected aspect of this frustrating FA, i agree. And if anyone can recall my other posts this offseason, i have constantly been on the point that OL should be priority number 1. It was in the draft when we picked up Carimi, but not in the FA period (so far anyway). So fine, ill chalk that up to missed opportunity.

And when you look at the bigger picture...its more complex then you guys make it out to be. Some moves ARE improvements. Some are mistakes. And some its too soon to tell, have the potential to go either way. Ill im saying is that people keep that in mind when evaluating our offseason.

**crazydave** · 08-01-2011, 06:34 PM

You have to do what you have too if you want to win the big game

**Jimmors** · 08-01-2011, 07:03 PM

late edit...Vinateiri is a PK, not a Punter. But my point still stands.

**BlackDiamond** · 08-02-2011, 02:24 AM

I think the main concern for letting Olsen go was how to replace his td catches. I believe he tied for most last year and had the most the year before...might be wrong. But, since we added Spaeth, it looks like they're buying into Martz's master plan and might figure we'll get the td's from somewhere else.

As for Olin, shoulda kept him. Too bad his teammates didn't band together and restructure contracts to raise the half mill, or simply pitch in, to keep him. He was the leader and that's a big loss. Spencer may turn out to be good, but he was in a West Coast offense so the learning curve will be steeper than normal for him. Add to that a practically non-existent camp....might be trouble.

**Henry Burris** · 08-02-2011, 02:42 AM

There is STILL time for FA pickups, and there WILL be the typical surprise cuts, like there are every year, but with FA just starting, it's WAY too early to jump the gun on us having a losing season.

**GermansbombedPH** · 08-02-2011, 03:56 AM

I like Jimmors comment. pretty much spot on. We have made improvements, but not at the positions we expected it and wished it

**4th and 26** · 08-02-2011, 05:24 AM

I don't know about what people think but I don't want to see Jay Cutler get Rex Grossmaned by the bears. Adding one guy to the offensive line that gave up nearly 60 sacks last year is beyond stupid of our idiot GM. The guy blows yet people keep making excuses for this guy. I just don't get why we don't get a supporting cast for a qb we gave up 2 first round draft picks for, a 3rd round pick and Kyle Orton if we keep surrounding him with garbage players. Get ready to see Jay Cutler take another beating this year.

**flea** · 08-02-2011, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

the problem with all of this, is that you guys seem to be lumping EVERY acquisition/release together to make one long running commentary about how much you think JA sucks. But, its not that simple, every move SHOULD be valued on its own merits, or lack therof:

Lets start with the first thing we did:
-Replaced Maynard with Adam Podlesh. This is an upgrade, and while Punters are not the glamor positions of the NFL for any guy not named Vinateiri, this helps our team.

Upgrade should give us solid punting for the next decade

-Replaced Manu with Spaeth. Doesnt matter how much we paid manu, it was an uncapped year, and obviously that experiment didnt work out, so the only people that took a hit were the McCaskey's wallet. Spaeth will either be better, worse, or the same as Manu. I would say he should be better, but lets wait and see. Worst case, we dumped a bad player and tried to address it with another. So ill call this move a push.

Will say upgrade but with reservations

-Olsen. This one shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone. They have been trying to shop him for YEARS now. Honestly, ive always felt Dez Clark was more valuable TE then Olsen, and im more upset that they let Dez disappear on the field. But ill play fair...lets call this one a mistake for now.

No problem with the trade, the guy was soft & got outmuscled by smaller CB's for all his good games he had equally poor games, can't block for shit & kellen davis should be ok

-Roy Williams. Another tricky evaluation. On one hand, he lead the league in drops. On the other...our WR corps isnt that great to begin with. He has had succes in the league under Martz (with the Lions and Kitna no less), so MAYBE Martz knows how to get that out of him again. Maybe he is a bust. But ill go with his recent past and label him "bust until proven otherwise."

The dropaholic, led the league in drops the last 3 years & was awful(statswise) outdoors last season. AWFUL signing

-Sam Hurd. "Another WR from Dallas." Correct, but he is a special teamer, and a pretty decent one from what ive heard. A speciality player picked up for a specific role. Id chalk this up to improving our STs.

straight replacement for Davis Problem with it is I KNEW Rashied could fill in at receiver if needed , not sure Hurd can

-Marion Barber. Ive defended Taylor in the past, noting his poor YPC was probably due to the way he was used (obvious running downs) combined with piss poor blocking from the OL. But if you guys are really that against Taylor, then this should come as an improvement as a relief back for Forte.

Don't like it, from what I've been told, he's done, speed is gone & developed an attitude, maybe he can still pound it short yardage but he doesn't break as many tkls as he did. This years Chester Taylor

-Re-signed Nick Roach. This is another good move, he has been a decent filler at LB, and gives us the depth we need at the position.

Good signing

-DE Vernon Gholston. Now, alot of people are chalking this up to a mistake because his lack of production with the Jets. But you have to remember that in college he was a 4-3 DE, but came to NYJ and was a 3-4 LB, failed, then a 3-4 DE, and failed. So...basically one of two things will happen: either he will continue to be a bust, or playing across from Peppers in a 4-3 system, he will produce on the field. So this move is "wait and see," and we got him on a 1yr contract for this reason. DL is just as important in games as the OL, which brings us to:

Meh, taking a punt but why does itfeel like scraping the barrell?

-Amobi Okoye. Another interesting move. Young, has potential. But the same was said about Tommie Harris. Okoye is being put in position to be on a very good DL, so he may prove to be a valuable pickup, better then Marcus Harrison. Or could be a bust. Point is, hard to say at this point..but lets call that a push for now, since we wont know until we see him in a game.

Who knows

-Kreutz/Spencer. Probably the one that has caused all the rage lately. instead of rehashing every argument, ill just keep it short and say they shouldve re-signed Olin. But in either case, the writing was on the wall...we NEED a new Center to replace him, only difference now is that Olin wont be here this year before we draft his replacement, but in either case he was going to be gone next year.

Should have re-signed Olin, Spencer is not an upgrade & lacks the nastiness ya want on your OL

-the OL. another neglected aspect of this frustrating FA, i agree. And if anyone can recall my other posts this offseason, i have constantly been on the point that OL should be priority number 1. It was in the draft when we picked up Carimi, but not in the FA period (so far anyway). So fine, ill chalk that up to missed opportunity.

And when you look at the bigger picture...its more complex then you guys make it out to be. Some moves ARE improvements. Some are mistakes. And some its too soon to tell, have the potential to go either way. Ill im saying is that people keep that in mind when evaluating our offseason.

Lot of low risk low $$ signings but the problem with so many low risk guys is if they play the way they have been they hinder the team not help it

**3nagurski** · 08-02-2011, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by blinddeafmute

Do you think a packer fan would ever agree with what the bears admin is doing? (Ok, evernight might, but he's not the typical packer fan). But my point is that the only ones who never think the bears make good moves more than 3nag is a packer fan.

That is right bee-otches...!!! It is called...REALITY...!!!

ROCK ON...

3nagurski

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