Top tier: Brady.....
he's the first one
I don't think Romo's above Cutler, and certainly not Eli Manning. He was a disaster last season
at the very least, he's right there with ALL those guys. FUggin Colt McCoy? seriously????
that list is shit. David Garrard is above average with Roethlisberger...please. do us a favor and delete that post
Last edited by Nick; 08-01-2011 at 08:22 PM.
Yep just not highlighted.
I don't think the list is shit, Cutler didn't have that great of a year; but I agree, I thought he did at least as good as the list above him. That list is going to be year in year out fluid, guys will move up and down...it's not like they were doing a life time chart. I think they got the top list right, per usual you could question the next few lists. The bottom was also accurate.
Orton, McCoy and Palmer weren't better than Cutler last year or Kitna
we made it to the NFC CG and won our Division. Our O was bad but somebody has to make the TDs. Forte alone wasn't the reason
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Our O was ranked 30th; our D is how we made that game. But I don't disagree, he should have been higher. But Kitna did play okay last year, so did Orton doon't know about the other two. But if your the qb of the 30th ranked O, you really don't have much to complain about where you are ranked.
They're basically trying to quantify QB's decision making and how "clutch" they are. It's a good idea in theory...it'll help to differentiate between QBs that put up gaudy, but hollow numbers from the guys that don't necessarily fill up the stat sheet, but come up with the big plays and win games.
It won't be perfect and it'll probably require some tweaking along the way, but I'm intrigued.
I'm getting real sick of everyone in the world being on Tom Brady's jock.
Tom Brady is no better than Matt Casell in any other system. it's Billicheck and what they're doing in New England that makes him look so damn good. he's a product of the system and just another average QB anywhere else.
Screw Tom Brady.
Originally Posted by GrizzlyBear91
multiple SB's say your wrong Grizz; I don't think he's the most talented, but neither was Montana. I'd take both over the "talented" Marino or Manning and their combined 1 SB.
Doesn't make any difference where it shows him we all know that he was a schlub as a QB and an idiot as an analyst. No matter what his stats he still goes down in history as the only Super Bowl winning QB to be cut by his team prior to the start of the next season. That's the only stat I need on him.
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By Michael C. Wright
[+] Enlarge Dennis Wierzbicki/US PresswireJay Cutler has been more hurtful to his teams than any other quarterback over the past three years in sacks, interceptions and fumbles, according to QBR.
BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- ESPN's new Total Quarterback Rating (QBR) provides a new and more meaningful way to evaluate quarterbacks, compared to the NFL’s decades old passer rating formula.
Interestingly, though, it also proves to be unfriendly to Bears quarterback Jay Cutler.
Based on ESPN’s analysis of approximately 60,000 NFL plays over the past three years, QBR examines every facet of quarterback play -- from passing and rushing, to fumbling and sacks taken -- and assigns credit or blame (and a score between 0 to 100) to the quarterback based on how every play in which they were involved contributed to their team’s success.
According to QBR, Cutler has been more hurtful to his teams than any other QB over the past three years in sacks (he scored minus-55 clutch-weighted points in 2010), interceptions (minus-44.1 in 2009) and fumbles (minus-15.6 in 2010 after 10 fumbles; 43 fumbles over his career).
Based on the normal passer rating formula, Cutler’s 86.3 rating ranked him as the NFL’s 16th best in that category in 2010.
According to ESPN The Magazine senior writer Peter Keating, however, the problem with the NFL's old formula is it compiles completions, passing yards, touchdown passes and INTs per attempt, and compares each to a league-average figure to come up with one number. Keating points out that the formula -- which uses league averages from the 70s to grade QBs -- doesn’t try to weight its categories according to their importance to winning games. It simply averages those numbers together.
So while Cutler ranked 16th in passer rating under the old formula, he finished as one of the league’s worst in 2010, according to QBR. In fact, only former Viking Brett Favre posted a lower QBR score (25.8) than Cutler.
With a QBR score of 42.6, Cutler ranked 25th in the league, while his NFC North counterparts Aaron Rodgers (67.9) of the Packers, and Shaun Hill (44.8) of the Lions, ranked fourth and 23rd, respectively.
While it’s impossible at this point to determine the true value or accuracy of ESPN’s new QBR, it’s quite striking that the three quarterbacks with the highest QBR scores -- Patriots Tom Brady (76.0), Colts Peyton Manning (69.5), and Falcons Matt Ryan (68.6) -- own career win records of .776, .677, and .717 as starters.
Cutler, meanwhile, is .500.
Winning record is the most over rated stat of a qb; a great qb can not take a crap team and win, he needs help; ecspecially on the D side of things. Those teams were able to find their qb's, then had Org's smart enough to start building around them. Something our Org has lacked interest in doing.
Sacks I can see, but are they putting a weight on if the OL gave it up, or if the qb held it too long? Are they taking into consideration the 3, 5, and 7 step drop that the OC might have called; or simply counting to 3 one thousand and saying the QB held it too long?
Int's are about the only one that I can see; but Martz's system doesn't put a premium on NOT throwing them so this is going to make Cutler look worse, but ultimately it's on Cutler not to throw into double, triple, and I even saw quadruple coverages.
He is not one of the worst qb's in the league, he's in the top 50% easy. Although I didn't think he was ever a top 10 qb; merely potential to be one; and I still feel we over paid to bring him here. That being said looking at the Denver boards I'm glad we did...the "qb contraversy" thing was getting old. Nice to have one and only one.
I think this QBR system is serioulsy flawed and easily as flawed as the passer rating. I stated that if you got the top 5 and bottom 5 right, you were on the right track, and then it's just a matter of debate on the rest, but Cutler is way to low if he's 25th.
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