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    How to identify NFL's best quarterbacks

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    By Mike Sando


    The late Don Smith never claimed his passer-rating formula was perfect.

    Quite the opposite, in fact.

    "Some people call it a quarterback rating system, but that really is not what it is," Smith told me during a 2002 interview. "It’s simply a passing statistic."

    I've actually defended Smith's rating system because the quarterbacks with the highest ratings -- Tom Brady, Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers led the way last season -- usually are the best quarterbacks. But there's so much more to quarterbacking than passing stats for touchdowns, interceptions, attempts, completions and yardage.

    Game situations should count for something, and now they do.

    With input from football people, including ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer, our statistical analysts have developed a 100-point ratings scale for quarterbacks taking into account advanced stats, game situations and relevant non-passing stats, including fumbles and sacks, to evaluate quarterbacks far more thoroughly. The methodology is complex -- one of the formula's key algorithms spans some 10,000 lines -- but the resulting "Total Quarterback Rating" (QBR for short) beats the old passer rating in every conceivable fashion. The ratings scale will debut this season.

    [+] Enlarge Al Bello/Getty ImagesAccording to an outline for the rating system, Tom Brady would fall in the "top tier" category.


    I've been bugging the Stats & Information team for a sneak peak ever since learning former NBA statistical analyst Dean Oliver had joined our production analytics unit and was playing a prominent role in QBR development. Oliver, a Caltech grad with a Ph.D. in statistical applications, revolutionized how NBA teams use advanced statistics. Menlo College professor Ben Alamar, who has consulted with the San Francisco 49ers, is also part of the team.

    Our stats team has been using game video to track stats relating to pressure, personnel, formation, game situation and more since 2008. The QBR stat represents a significant leap in harnessing those statistics for something more.

    The old formula Smith created treated stats the same regardless of circumstance. A touchdown pass thrown against a prevent defense during a blowout defeat equals one thrown against pressure to win the game. A 5-yard completion on third-and-4 counts the same as a 5-yarder on third-and-15. A critical quarterback scramble, sack or fumble doesn't even factor.

    "There is no way to statistically say how effective a guy is under fire," Smith lamented during our 2002 conversation. "None of that can be put into something like this."

    Now it can, along with a whole lot more.

    The QBR formula takes into account down, distance, field position, time remaining, rushing, passing sacks, fumbles, interceptions, how far each pass travels in the air, from where on the field the ball was thrown, yards after the catch, dropped balls, defensed balls, whether the quarterback was hit, whether he threw away the ball to avoid a sack, whether the pass was thrown accurately, etc. Each play carries "clutch weight" based on its importance to game outcome, as determined by analyzing those 60,000 plays since 2008. The stats adjust for quarterbacks facing an unusually high number of these situations.

    Year of the Quarterback


    ESPN has dedicated 2011 to examining one of the most crucial positions in all of sports -- the quarterback.
    Year of the QB »


    "If it is a running clock late in the game, maybe you only get a few yards here or there, that is the right football play to make," Jeff Bennett, senior director of ESPN's production analytics team, said Sunday. "We spent a month learning about ratings to make sure quarterbacks couldn’t game the system, so they're not afraid to throw that deep pass at the end of the first half and risk an interception."

    I've seen an outline for the rating system breaking down 2010 quarterbacks into six general categories, from top tier to poor. Precise rating numbers were not yet available. The quarterbacks under consideration broke down as follows:

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    A few concerns, Trent Dilfer had a say in this? Why? I know he's a former qb, but what the hell does he know about analysis? Also how do you break down every situation correctly? How do you decide the QB held the ball to long, or the OL didn't block long enough? How do you decide if the throw was poor or the wr ran the wrong route?

    A few things I like, if you have guy w/a PHD in stat's applications and has already proven a track record in using it in sports(did it for the NBA) it cannot be all bad.


    I think both will/can be used. I think at the end of the day, both will probably have the top 5-10 qb's in the league ranked there, and the rest will be jumbled and you can debate how well either works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    With input from football people, including ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer,
    How much you wanna bet this new system will be used on players from the past (you know, for comparison reasons), and Dilfer will magically appear higher up on the all-time QB new super cool rankings list?

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    It might; but again, they have a guy w/a PH D in statistical Analysis that did the overall #'s. But that's why I questioned it; Trent really isn't the best analysis of qb play.

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    Thats because its so dang hard to impress the Dilf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    A few concerns, Trent Dilfer had a say in this? Why? I know he's a former qb, but what the hell does he know about analysis?.
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    The article got cut off at the bottom, here is how the starters from last year would have ranked:


    Not sure I agree w/JC being so low, or Josh Freemen being that high, but I don't know if I can say the rest are really out of place.

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    Why isn't Tom Brady listed I wonder?

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